Short arm vs Long arm

Thank you all. I love reading you bit** slap each other. Arguing is a wast of time but very entertaining.
That said as far as I can read there is not clear cut answer to the OP's question.
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Skipper. IMO my short arm's suit me just fine for the type of wheeling I do. My buddy has a custom built long arm setup and I go everywhere he goes... I think I have plenty of flex and my jeep still rides good. And I don't have any clunks creeks or rattles like my buddy does with his heim joint setup. His system drives me nuts with all the noise it makes
 
kastein said:
I gave two examples of how it can fail... one breaking bolts, one bending the adjuster. This is not difficult to understand unless you have severe reading comprehension issues.

yes, I only gave evidence for one (the adjuster bending.)

I brought no computer engineering into this, because there are no computers involved. Perhaps you should reread my post, I said physics and mechanical design.
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Both of your examples were 1 guy... Before you claim Poor design, prove it.. I personally am NO IRO fanboi, I've never bought more then a T-case drop from them.. But i DO have many local buddy's that run the system with 100% satisfaction.. and I have also seen many cases of where they excel in customer service..

bashing a design that you call faulty, without actual proof.. Is ignorant to the thousands of people that are very happy with it.. Every company is going to have a small percentage of negative review.. you showed us 1 guy, Can you find more? While you search rigerously online.. I'm going to enjoy wheeling the hardest of trails.. with my friends that have IRO Long arms..

I'll be back to check your results..:peace:
 
again. those were two threads on one of my examples. Can you guys read at all?

The other example was breaking bolts, others have posted the evidence and I didn't feel like finding it. I knew exactly what to search for to find the one I did provide evidence for.

And I gave pretty good reasons for my claims of poor design. If you shut your brain off while reading it or didn't understand them at all, it's no skin off my back :)

IRO radius arms are like revolver shackles and dana 35s, I don't need to buy them and put them on my jeep to claim they suck, I can determine this through logic instead of wasting money and time. Whether you get away with it on your jeep is heavily dependent on driving style, your build, your wheeling terrain, the phase of the moon, and the day of the week. That shit still isn't going on my jeep.
 
kastein said:
again. those were two threads on one of my examples. Can you guys read at all?

The other example was breaking bolts, others have posted the evidence and I didn't feel like finding it. I knew exactly what to search for to find the one I did provide evidence for.

And I gave pretty good reasons for my claims of poor design. If you shut your brain off while reading it or didn't understand them at all, it's no skin off my back :)

IRO radius arms are like revolver shackles and dana 35s, I don't need to buy them and put them on my jeep to claim they suck, I can determine this through logic instead of wasting money and time. Whether you get away with it on your jeep is heavily dependent on driving style, your build, your wheeling terrain, the phase of the moon, and the day of the week. That shit still isn't going on my jeep.
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FALSE, you wouldnt wheel a Dana 35 because you can find THOUSANDS of reasons not to, revolver shackles? they unload! find someone with a locked D35 on 35s , that's happy! or someone with revolver shackles, thats happy.. YOU CANT..

find someone that had a terrible failure with the IRO kit... that isnt from loose hardware! YOU CANT!

your ignorance is intolerable..
 
again you appear to be ignoring the fact that I've heard of several bolt failures from people I know and trust.

continue with your willfull ignorance :) I am tired of mud wrestling with this pig.
 
MaxxXJ said:
Skipper. IMO my short arm's suit me just fine for the type of wheeling I do. My buddy has a custom built long arm setup and I go everywhere he goes... I think I have plenty of flex and my jeep still rides good. And I don't have any clunks creeks or rattles like my buddy does with his heim joint setup. His system drives me nuts with all the noise it makes
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Thank you Maxx :eeks1: I feel you are right and I have heard that short arm's are the way to go if you don't just have a trail rig. :cool:

My Jeep is the only car we have so it has to be comfortable to the mall as well as keeping our filling in our teeth on the trails. :woohoo:
 
Apparently "it's a shitty design but it didn't break on 99 out 100 people" is a big selling point for IRO.

Seems like good logic. If it were free, i'd probably run it.

But it's not.
 
kastein said:
for the IRO fanboys... yes people have broken the one UCA bolt. yes some of them have posted about it.

oh and I'm just gonna leave this here
http://naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1055578
http://naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1056597
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I'll let you re-read what you wrote, but it's plain English. You say people have broken the 1 bolt, and posted about it. Where is your example of either these broken bolts or the posts. My reading comprehension is fine. Nothing is more lame than a forum tough guy making personal and flat wrong comments from 3000 miles away. Claim evidence you can't produce, question my logic, wheeling habits, and ability to read? Any semi-intelligent person can see a logical argument made by someone with actual experience and someone behaving like a little kid defending an opinion.
 
Porch951 said:
Apparently "it's a shitty design but it didn't break on 99 out 100 people" is a big selling point for IRO.

Seems like good logic. If it were free, i'd probably run it.

But it's not.
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so you would trust it with your life, since it's free..

But because someone else says that someone else says that someone else broke a bolt.. You wont ever pay a dime for it..


Gotcha.
 
And for those who have had actual uca bolt failures, grade 12.9 bolts are approximately 17% stronger than 10.9's. 1100MPa vs 940 yield strength. Of course I'm an illiterate,moron,
Mall crawling, illogical, fool with actual evidence including personal experience and actual facts supporting my arguments.
 
zachandandy said:
I'll let you re-read what you wrote, but it's plain English. You say people have broken the 1 bolt, and posted about it. Where is your example of either these broken bolts or the posts
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dude, I'm not your research assistant. You can find em yourself with a couple minutes on google. Hell some of them are even on this forum.

zachandandy said:
Nothing is more lame than a forum tough guy making personal and flat wrong comments from 3000 miles away. Claim evidence you can't produce, question my logic, wheeling habits, and ability to read? Any semi-intelligent person can see a logical argument made by someone with actual experience and someone behaving like a little kid defending an opinion.
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my jeep can beat up your jeep!!!!!!!! :rattle:

seriously, tough guy? where have I threatened you in any way? Do you even know what you're talking about?

:wierd:
 
Can we just lock this one? Intellectual conversation regarding shorts vs long has long since passed.
 
Unfounded insults Via the Internet? Things I guarantee you wouldn't say to a mans face? Typical forum tough guy. Guess we will have to take your word about the broken bolts, googled iron rock off road broken bolts and found a ton of posts like yours, a friend of a friends cousins gramma had that bolt break, or I broke a uca bolt running an entirely different system, so your iro kit will fail. Still only able to find the 1 pic of a bent bracket? I've seen way more pics of broken re leaf springs, bent rc track bars, or even broken Dana 60's. If you are wheeling, you will break parts. Stay on your bandwagon that 1 failure is proof that a part is weak, don't know where you find parts that have never failed?
 
zachandandy said:
Unfounded insults Via the Internet? Things I guarantee you wouldn't say to a mans face? Typical forum tough guy. Guess we will have to take your word about the broken bolts, googled iron rock off road broken bolts and found a ton of posts like yours, a friend of a friends cousins gramma had that bolt break, or I broke a uca bolt running an entirely different system, so your iro kit will fail. Still only able to find the 1 pic of a bent bracket? I've seen way more pics of broken re leaf springs, bent rc track bars, or even broken Dana 60's. If you are wheeling, you will break parts. Stay on your bandwagon that 1 failure is proof that a part is weak, don't know where you find parts that have never failed?
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this will sound like a typical e-penis type comment. but some of us thrash our rigs around harder than others, where a 10 mm bolt may work for some, it wont work for us all.

i simply wouldnt be comfortable with that cheesy caster adjuster and a single 10mm bolt up there. but it works great for the way some people wheel.

its a risk im not willing to take
 
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Skipper51 said:
Thank you Maxx :eeks1: I feel you are right and I have heard that short arm's are the way to go if you don't just have a trail rig. :cool:

My Jeep is the only car we have so it has to be comfortable to the mall as well as keeping our filling in our teeth on the trails. :woohoo:
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I feel it's in what you buy, don't buy heim joint or Johnny joint parts. Sure they flex more but they are noisy, i bought IRO parts, double sheer track bar, lca's and it's funny cuz all of my friends all say my jeep isn't a real jeep cuz mine is so quiet I'm like ninja quiet :). I'm at 4" and 31's with no drop brackets and it may ride a touch on the firm side but it's no where near rough. If you lived by me I'd be more than happy to show you what my short arms ride like on and off road.
 
Hey everyone!!!!!!! This isn't an IRO long arm debate! Get off it already and debate long arm's vs short arms!! Your running in circles over the same broken bolt and hear say! Act older than 12 and move on, it's seriously not that big of a deal... Let whoever you want wheel with IRO
 
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