Schiavo gone at 9:05 a.m today

[Lawn Cher']

Um, no! Should I be? :dunno:

My bad... that joke would have worked better if the words was polygamy, not bigamy.

 

[Lawn Cher']

bring on the segregation!!!

Lemme guess... air horns that play Dixie and confederate flag mud flaps?

 

[olivedrabcj7]

Lemme guess... air horns that play Dixie and confederate flag mud flaps?

close!!..... confederate flag front license plate, we dont have to have mud flaps down here in segregationville, we also sleep with our sisters.

 

[Alaskaflyr]

Just checked CNN.com for an update on the world news, and the photo is of some protestor crying over the death of Ms. Schiavo.

Do these people cry when folks are gunned down in the ghetto? Do they cry when a soldier is killed? Do they cry when someone in a nursing home dies alone, with no family?

What bunch of self-serving hypocrites.

Fergie

Well put and I couldn't agree with you more Fergie.

Gary

 

[red91]

??? He only had one wife. Where do you get "BIGAMIST"?

common law marriage. He's been with this other woman for about 10 years, and has 2 kids.

Where was N.O.W. on that one ?

 

[Citat3962]

THATS WHERE THE REAL FOCUS SHOULD BE!!!! if you wanna protest something......go protest that!!!

FOCUS ON YOUR OWN DAMN FAMILY>>>>>

What is it about some rabid conservatives that prevents them from minding their own business? When your family/life/career is perfect then you can tell others how to run theirs... Until then keep your 18th century puritan mentality to yourself.

 

[IndyXJ]

FOCUS ON YOUR OWN DAMN FAMILY>>>>>

What is it about some rabid conservatives that prevents them from minding their own business? When your family/life/career is perfect then you can tell others how to run theirs... Until then keep your 18th century puritan mentality to yourself.

Thanks Citat for another voice of reason, Root too. :yelclap: I'd rather starve for 2 weeks than live in a purgatory of a "life" on lifesupport.

 

[olivedrabcj7]

but what sucks is she wasnt on life support. she was breathing on her own and her heart was pumping on its own. all her organs were functioning by themselves. the only thing was she was on a feeding tube. and if she could swallow food, she wouldnt have needed that! there is no reason to just cut off her food and water supply and let her die of dehydration. thats truly barbaric. it pisses me off but thats the only real way to let her die. i think the people protesting it should mind their own business. does that mean i shouldnt protest the protestors??? its all a bunch of bullsh!t that is only a big deal because of the friggin media. it happens everyday !!!!! why not televise all of it!!!! theres somebody in a hospital right now dying......why not send a bunch of cameras and sappy jackarses over there to make a big scene and violate the families privacy........this is my last rant about this. shes gone and thats that.

 

[BillR]

Thanks Citat for another voice of reason, Root too. :yelclap: I'd rather starve for 2 weeks than live in a purgatory of a "life" on lifesupport.

Ditto!
Also, with almost NO cerebrel cortex, she likely felt nothing.

 

[Eagle]

I don't know the whole situation but just starving her to death did'nt seem like the right thing to do, why not a lethal injection at least criminals get that luxury.

Unfortunately, our laws are such that if you execute a living will, this is the BEST you can hope for. It never ceases to amaze me that politicians and many people think it's acceptable to have a terminally ill family pet "put down," but these same people think it's horrible to euthanize a terminally ill person, even if that person has expressed a wish to die rather than live a life with zero "quality of life" or be kept alive perpetually by artificial means even if the brain (and consciousness, and thus the "person") died a long time ago.

The Hemlock Society has for years been fighting to get better right to die laws in this country. Changes to the laws are long overdue. The Terri Schiavo case, unfortunately, is not going to help the situation because it has polarized the country. I hope I am never in her situation. I executed a living will a number of years ago, and since the laws have changed I need to update it. I also have to seek someone to name as the decision maker in the event I cannot participate. My wife, although she herself does not wish to "live" in a persistive vegetative condition, has said she could not bring herself to authorize removal of life support even knowing it's what I want. So I have to find someone who isn't afraid to pull the plug.

Has Jesse Jackson gone home now that he got his photo op?

 

[XJJPR]

So I have to find someone who isn't afraid to pull the plug.

I'll do it!

Unfortunately, our laws are such that if you execute a living will, this is the BEST you can hope for. It never ceases to amaze me that politicians and many people think it's acceptable to have a terminally ill family pet "put down," but these same people think it's horrible to euthanize a terminally ill person, even if that person has expressed a wish to die rather than live a life with zero "quality of life" or be kept alive perpetually by artificial means even if the brain (and consciousness, and thus the "person") died a long time ago.

Couldn't agree more. It is what the person wants, nobody else!

The thing this has done is make sure we all have some type of stuff written down o what we want to happen!

hinkley

 

[Eagle]

She is not brain-dead or comatose, and breathes naturally on her own. Although brain-damaged, she is not in a persistent vegetative state, according to an increasing number of radiologists and neurologists.

What "increasing number of radiologists and neurologists"? Oh, you mean the self-serving "experts" who are more than happy to provide their "expert" opinion to the media even though they have never examined Terri Schiavo? One of those "experts" based his diagnosis on his mother's condition -- which was Alzheimer's Disease.

EVERY court-appointed (as in "neutral" and "unbiased") expert who actually examined Terri Schiavo agreed that she was in a persistant vegetative state. I'll accept that over the diagnosis of any "expert" who testifies based on what happened to his mother.

 

[Eagle]

common law marriage. He's been with this other woman for about 10 years, and has 2 kids.

Living with someone does not automatically constitute common law marriage. In order for the situation to be a common law marriage, the two people must represent themselves as husband and wife for the period dictated by law. This couple did not do that.

 

[jeeppowermj]

GAY PEOPLE ARE GETTING MARRIED FOLKS!!!! THATS WHERE THE REAL FOCUS SHOULD BE!!!! if you wanna protest something......go protest that!!!

They are protesting that......They're the ones out there shouting, "We're here, we're queer, get used to it."

 

[foxwar71]

http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=464

 

[RNMedic]

I for one am happy that she is not here anymore. The only reason that she was like the way she was is because her husband beat her so bad that she had broken bones in her face and went in for surgery and the anesthesiologist messed up on her dose and she turned into a vegetable from the brain damage she got from the messed up dose that was given to her. Her husband finally got money for the doctor messing up and now wanted to end her life for the one million dollars extra he will recieve upon her death. The million dollars was supposed to go to her therapy but her abusive husband will get it now. My father in law follows the news very well and told me quite a few things that alot of news stations are leaving out. But that is why she got the way she was and died the way she did. She would still be alive if it weren't for an abusive husband. I would never lay a hand on my wife for any reason. If I was that mad I would take my truck for a beat run on the local mud trails and cool off. Thought I would throw my .02 in on this thread. Hope the info helps some who are not to familiar with the case.

NOPE, bulemia caused low potassium, heart stop, money from fertilty doc who husband sued saying he should have caught the low potassium.

 

[Fred]

I’m saddened by Terri Schiavo’s death. Certainly, every photo published of her was calculatingly sympathetic. I’m saddened by her parents loss, and struggle. I’m saddened by her husbands travails.

But this stuff about the sacredness of life has got to stop. There is NOTHING sacred about life, it is no more sacred than the process of erosion. Because that is all life is, a natural process, a result of the existence of the universe. If anything life is just the universe’s way of hastening its own entropic death, since life creates more entropy than it reduces when it uses the universe to reproduce itself.

The only thing worthy of protection is individual consciousness. This is the only truly irreproducible thing in the universe. There was no more consciousness in Terri, all that was left was a bunch of cells. Cells do react to input, that doesn’t make them conscious, otherwise slime molds would rule the earth.

There is no individual consciousness in a fertilized egg. My son only became remotely human when he was 6 months old. I am not callous, this is a child that I had to carry into neonatal intensive care. I loved my son from the first moment he was in my arms, but that doesn’t make him conscious. He had only the possibility of consciousness, even at birth. Consciousness is the realization that you exist separate from the environment. Consciousness is a bunch of carbon atoms looking at themselves, and realizing that they are a bunch of carbon atoms looking at themselves. Not something a fertilized egg is capable of. I think there should be some politically
realized agreement on the point that elective abortions should be discontinued, but that is an emotional argument.

I’m not expecting anyone to agree, just wanted to vent a bit. The old $.02 isn’t worth much if you don’t get to spend it. :laugh3:

Fred

 

[Eagle]

Living with someone does not automatically constitute common law marriage. In order for the situation to be a common law marriage, the two people must represent themselves as husband and wife for the period dictated by law. This couple did not do that.

Update:

As I have since discovered, Florida (and a whole bunch of other states) doesn't have provision for common law marriages at all.

http://public.findlaw.com/family/life_events/le19_8common.html

 

[Churchlady]

Ditto!
Also, with almost NO cerebrel cortex, she likely felt nothing.

Curious her health care providers have never known this.

Terri's medical file contained an Apr. 2001 (the first time Michael had her feeding tube removed) document called an "Exit Protocol", which contains explicit instructions for managing the predictable events of a slow death by starvation/dehydration of a patient in Terri's condition.

The nurse who discovered the Exit Protocol, Cheryl Ford, R.N., a Tampa nurse, was reviewing Terri's medical file at the request of the Schindler family when she found the document. It's brief; you can read the actual wording at
http://www.cst-phl.com/050113/sixth.html

Last week affirmation of/elaboration on the Protocol came from a radio interview with Terri's physician, Dr. Bill Hammesfahr, a Nobel Prize nominee for his work with the brain-damaged who--along with two other neurologists from UCLA & Tulane and 33 other brain injury experts--submitted two dozen affidavits to Judge Greer insisting that Terri was NOT in PVS.

His statements confirm what the hospice's Exit Protocol makes so clear:
this "dying process" is not painless.

The worst part, Dr. Hammesfahr says, begins today (the day of his interview, March 26). That day, day eight, Terri's electrolytes really begin to go crazy, possibly creating seizures, undifferentiated pain and strong muscle spasms.

Today, day eight, the gastric juices will have begun to fully eat through the lining of her stomach and leak into the surounding cavities. He said she begins today to, in his words, "liquify from the inside out". Think of that, those of you who have ever suffered from a simple stomach ulcer, and do your own analysis of Terri's probable degree of pain. Do that, and you will moan out loud for her, as I did.

Today, day eight, the lack of hydration gets to the point where the blood supply to the major organs begins to fail, to recede. Organ failure is now the reliable result . Not one by one. All at once.

And today, day eight, due to this decreased blood supply, new brain damage begins. Irreversible brain damage . In other words, if Terri's cerebral cortex wasn't liquid already (and by most doctors' testimony, it was not) it will certainly be by the time they finish killing her. We're worried about Michael wanting to cremate the evidence. We never thought about them dissolving it.

 

[Churchlady]

But this stuff about the sacredness of life has got to stop. There is NOTHING sacred about life, it is no more sacred than the process of erosion. :laugh3: Fred

I rest my case.