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[kastein]

The present State of Israel was created by Stalin and FDR by taking away lands from the Arabs in the region. They saw tribes of Arabs and treated them just like we did the American Indians, they took their land.

This is what has caused the peace problem in the region.

Fast forward to now.

The Israeli government wants Jerusalem as it's capitol. The Palistinians want back what they claim the Israeli's stole and want to make it their capitol. The Jews want to restore the Temple mount, the Muslims in the area want to retain the Masque that is there.

The issue is about Palistinian soverenty and Israeli sovernty. Each refuses to acknowledge that each other exists. The Jews are not going anywhere. They were dumped there in their own little desert reservation, and they will remain there. The Arabs what back what was taken from them, but they are not going to get it back either.

Net has been the Israeli president a few times now, but each time he fails to learn the lesson abut getting along with he neighbors. Push your neighbor and they will push back. The same problem with the Arabs.

Was "O" right in walking out? Maybe not, but it was an act of frustration and the nation of Israel needs to know that our monitary support (more than we give to any other nation) and our political support will not last forever if Israel wont come to terms with it's role in the region's politics and learn not to continiously poke it's unstable neighbor.

I for one am sick of hearing about Palistinians killing Israeli's and visa versa. They all have to get along or they will all go nowhere.

It's like having someone you don't especially like move in next to you. You can't force them out, and you can't be mean to them without retailiation. The best you can hope for is coexistance, and that is what the folks in that region need to realize.

Ron

The Palestinian nation never really existed, from what I've read. The palestinians were kicked out of Jordan (a fellow Muslim nation...) after some sort of political mess, if I'm not mistaken.

I agree, it has gotten a bit childish over there. They both want the same things. Family, peace, a place to hang their hat, and prosperity. Not too much to ask, right?

Nah, it's come down to fighting over a bit of frigg'n sand. Unbelievable. If this was two kids fighting a sandbox, you'd knock their heads together and tell them to stop being stupid and play nice.

Ron

I'm not entirely sure that the muslim side wants peace. From the way they talk, they want to push Israel into the mediterranean and forget it ever existed.

One could say that all FDR and Stalin did was restore to the Israelis what was theirs to begin with. The nation of Palestine has never existed. We also restored Poland and France, and a few other countries back to the land they owned before it was taken from them, should we have left them in German hands?

The Arabs want the Jews dead. Period. No amount of sacrifice on the Jews behalf will change that. The Arabs need to learn to play nice and consider the vast amounts of land still in thew region not owned by the Jews and be glad for it. Israel ccupies an area the size of southern Florida. That's not much to worry about.

X2.

There is no oil in Israel, as far as I know. Oh yeah... that whole holy ground thing.

Israel just wants to exist, the Arab/Muslim nations just want it to not exist. This struggle will go on forever until someone wins. I happen to side with the Israelis since last I checked they haven't started ANY of the wars, have won ALL of them (and given back a lot of what they won... every time), and haven't blown anything up on American soil.

And no, giving the palestinians a palestinian nation will do nothing to make peace. If they want one, maybe they should talk to Syria and Jordan, where their homeland supposedly exists. Talk to Chamberlain if you want to know how well appeasement works.

appeasement: the belief that if you throw enough steaks to a tiger, it will become a vegetarian.