rookie gear pattern

BillR

Toy Jeep driver!
Location
Flagstaff, AZ
I got the gears installed today in the HP44. The backlash is at .006 with a tight carrier.
Critique away! Thius is my first gear set-up. :gag:

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Pinion is too shallow.

I'd tell you how much but I always guess wrong. I would try .005.
 
I agree... add maybe .006" to the pinion depth.
 
Its not horrible for a first try, but certainly needs more tooth contact. Notice how your only getting a pattern with less than 50% contact on the drive side of the ring? Make sure that marking compound is sloughed off at least 2/3 to 3/4 of the way down to the base of each and every tooth. The coast side, for some reason, seems a bit better, but none the less, dropping that pinion in further by a few thousandths will definitely help.

Also, dont forget to simulate load on the carrier. That will give you a better reading on the overall mesh of the gears, and change the contact patch some. I do this by grabbing hold of the front yoke (after tightening it somewhat onto the pinion) and wedging a prybar between the top of the housing and the edge of the carrier that the ring gear is bolted to. Pull down on it with a moderate amount of weight to create a frictional force on the carrier as you turn the pinion with your other hand. If your exerting enough force upon the carrier, that pinion should become tough to turn. It wont hurt the carrier or gear at all, as you are hardly putting a fraction of the strain on it that your drivetrain will, so dont worry about the friction caused by doing so. Youll get a more accurate reading of the mesh pattern when theres pressure upon the teeth.
 
I'm DONE!
It's not perfect, but it's pretty good, and much better than I had it.
Whatcha'll think?

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Is that a lockright?
If your running big enough tires to necessitate a 44, a lockright might be something you'll want to keep eye on, as its built mainly to withstand smaller diameter tires like 32" and under.

Of course if its not lockright, then dont mind me! Im slightly intoxicated right now, just watching the sunday college football games!
 
ArcticXJ said:
Is that a lockright?
If your running big enough tires to necessitate a 44, a lockright might be something you'll want to keep eye on, as its built mainly to withstand smaller diameter tires like 32" and under.

Of course if its not lockright, then dont mind me! Im slightly intoxicated right now, just watching the sunday college football games!
I don't agree.

Lockrights can be very reliable with tires well over 32".

Myself and others run 35"s and 36"s successfully with nary a problem.
 
That looks great. good pattern. Don't worry about the lockright, you didn't bust it when you had it in the rear axle, it will be fine. I know you aren't likely to go bigger than 35s.

Should run real well on those bypasses. Hasta :laugh3: Guess now we can officially call ya "gearhead"!
 
Just giving word to the wise... in the owners manual, LockRight states that they dont recommend tires larger than 32" in diameter. I know of two jeepers, one with an 8.8, and one with a 35, who've both blown that thing to bits on 33"s.
 
dirtclod said:
That looks great. good pattern. Don't worry about the lockright, you didn't bust it when you had it in the rear axle, it will be fine. I know you aren't likely to go bigger than 35s.

Should run real well on those bypasses. Hasta :laugh3: Guess now we can officially call ya "gearhead"!
Thanks Chip. I can see why REAL mechanics get big dollars for this job.
BTW, it's actually a Powertrax No-Slip, and I'm not too concerned since it's in the front axle. If I was gonna run 37s behind a stroker and 4:1, I may worry a little.
Bypasses huh? Cheap shot man! :laugh3:
 
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BillR said:
Thanks Chip. I can see why REAL mechanics get big dollars for this job.
BTW, it's actually a Powertrax No-Slip, and I'm not too concerned since it's in the front axle. If I was gonna run 37s behind a stroker and 4;1, I may worry a little.
Bypasses huh? Cheap shot man! :laugh3:
I see. My fault for assuming. I had figured your upgrade to a 44 was neccesitated by something larger than 35"s. I dont personally know anyone running a front no slip--- Maybe you could let us know how it performs after you get your first few trips on it? That'd be interesting.
 
ArcticXJ said:
I see. My fault for assuming. I had figured your upgrade to a 44 was neccesitated by something larger than 35"s. I dont personally know anyone running a front no slip--- Maybe you could let us know how it performs after you get your first few trips on it? That'd be interesting.
I ran a front No-Slip in a CJ-7. It worked fine through some pretty tough wheeling behind a FI 360 and T-18.
 
why, what happens in 2 years? I ran a no-slip in the rear of my XJ for 4 years. I have had one in my D30 for almost 2 years. 33"s and 4.88's and no problems.
ANd Bill. Looks like your Backlash is a little tight... like around .006". am I right? Move .003" from the pass side to the driver side and your pattern should be about perfect.
 
Rawbrown said:
why, what happens in 2 years? I ran a no-slip in the rear of my XJ for 4 years. I have had one in my D30 for almost 2 years. 33"s and 4.88's and no problems.
ANd Bill. Looks like your Backlash is a little tight... like around .006". am I right? Move .003" from the pass side to the driver side and your pattern should be about perfect.


I think he meant at least two years before Bill IS running 37's and stroker. Best one I ever heard was a bowling ball with a hula skirt on............the owner is gonna have to chime in if he wants credit for that line.................:moon:

Hey chip, I know this was forever ago, but what did you end up doing for those 44 wedges, break down and buy the duffs????
 
91 Jeep Project said:
I think he meant at least two years before Bill IS running 37's and stroker.
Stroker? Hmmm....I DO need a new project... :gag: :laugh3:
 
Rawbrown said:
why, what happens in 2 years? I ran a no-slip in the rear of my XJ for 4 years. I have had one in my D30 for almost 2 years. 33"s and 4.88's and no problems.
ANd Bill. Looks like your Backlash is a little tight... like around .006". am I right? Move .003" from the pass side to the driver side and your pattern should be about perfect.
The backlash is right at .005, which I've been told is a good spot for new gears and bearings. I'm leaving it, since it's sealed up now! :gag:
 
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