Robbed at Gun point!!!

[Ramsey]

kidding about what?

 

[95meangreen]

Dude with the gun debate i dont want to get shot with anything over a wallet that someone wants. I have had a guy get out of his car with a wrench and wanted to beat me up with it, But i used carry a realistic shaped airsoft gun with me for assholes that wanted trouble. he got out of his car with a wrench and i grab the airsoft gun and he didnt want trouble, i figure if he knew i was bluffing or not i was faster than this old man anyways. but bottom line no one wants to get shot anywhere with anything or take the chance of that. so moneys not worth it.

 

[IXNAYXJ]

Dude with the gun debate i dont want to get shot with anything over a wallet that someone wants. I have had a guy get out of his car with a wrench and wanted to beat me up with it, But i used carry a realistic shaped airsoft gun with me for assholes that wanted trouble. he got out of his car with a wrench and i grab the airsoft gun and he didnt want trouble, i figure if he knew i was bluffing or not i was faster than this old man anyways. but bottom line no one wants to get shot anywhere with anything or take the chance of that. so moneys not worth it.

That's pretty scary on a lot of levels.

-----Matt-----

 

[95meangreen]

oh and after the gun jammed me and my buddy would have beat the crap out of him and stole his gun for real im not kidding i wouldnt let anyone get away with that im glad you guys are ok

 

[wilsel]

oh and after the gun jammed me and my buddy would have beat the crap out of him and stole his gun for real im not kidding i wouldnt let anyone get away with that im glad you guys are ok

Easy to say that without being in the situation. I would of wanted to do the same thing, but I honestly don't know what I'd do in that situation. I don't know if the instinct to kill him before he kills me would kick in, or the instinct to run as fast as you can would.

 

[Powerman]

I had an altercation once and decided to carry. That decision opens a lot of doors. In most states, it is not ok to shoot someone. You have to prove that you believed your life was in danger, and you have to prove that you had no escape, that you had no other options available to you. Conceled carry guarantees nothing. If someone want your wallet, fine. He might just leave. Now you pull out your gun, IF you can get to it, and the situation changes dramatically. I just went from a guy that just wants a hit of crack, to one that is now is in fear for my life. Big difference. Diffusing the situation and doing what it takes for the guy to leave is a ligitimate action to take. I have no idea how I would react, I just hope I would do what the situation called for to go home that night safe. Fight or flight. BOTH responses have served us well for a long time.

 

[reliablestv]

yeah i was at the house waiting for them to return w/ some guide bolts
the bad part is im pretty sure he was going to shoot my brother cause he told the dude he didnt have his wallet, it was in his center council, im sure he would have happily given it up if he did have it on him.

i do have a carry permit and i do carry everywhere i go fortunatly i wasnt there case i would have killed him and who wants to do that

thank god the situation turned out the way it did. if i were there someone would have lost there life that nite. i just want to brng my brother home when its all said and done. a thugs life is worth the trade


hinesite is 20-20

 

[reliablestv]

Yes, it's strange that Speedracer is so convinced about it being a 9mm/.22, but I think it's academic in terms of the story. Having a 9mm pointed at you is scary, and I don't think a .22 isn't much less scary. Either way, glad to hear the incident ended without anyone getting hurt.

EDIT: Forgive the skepticism, but it doesn't sound like you "know hand guns really well." That's pretty vague, and in no way points to it being exclusively a .22 or 9mm as you keep insisting. Like I said earlier, it doesn't really matter for the story.

-----Matt-----

me and bryan are pretty well versed in hand guns and he was staring down the barrel so hes just guessing by barrel sixe. and given the situation im supprised he didnt call it a .50 cal

 

[95meangreen]

Easy to say that without being in the situation. I would of wanted to do the same thing, but I honestly don't know what I'd do in that situation. I don't know if the instinct to kill him before he kills me would kick in, or the instinct to run as fast as you can would.

well i have been in that situation kinda... i had a kid in highschool get pissed and held i knife to my chest and i told him to cool down and in the middle of one of my sentences i grabbed the hand with the knife i kicked the front of his knee cap and threw to elbows to his face then he let go and kick him in the ribs and me and his knife left. i didnt stab him like he would me but im not gonna let someone hold my life in there hands and let them chose if i get stab or shot im at least going to do something about it before that happens.

 

[JohnX]

Smell that?????????





























Smells like testosterone.

I'd like to think that all you guys would react the way you say you would, or did, but I have to call BS.

 

[Ramsey]

Smells like bullshit to me John

 

[95meangreen]

you can believe me or not but i didnt let that asshole mess with me. Im not just going to let someone control me then run away if his plan backfired. Because those kind of guys would do it to you if they could and sometimes you have to let people know they cant do that to you. you can do whatever you like but especially if me and a buddy were to get held up and that guys plan backfired we would have kick his ass until he wasnt a threat anymore

 

[ECKSJAY]

This thread sucks.

 

[stewie]

I had an altercation once and decided to carry. That decision opens a lot of doors. In most states, it is not ok to shoot someone. You have to prove that you believed your life was in danger, and you have to prove that you had no escape, that you had no other options available to you. Conceled carry guarantees nothing. If someone want your wallet, fine. He might just leave. Now you pull out your gun, IF you can get to it, and the situation changes dramatically. I just went from a guy that just wants a hit of crack, to one that is now is in fear for my life. Big difference. Diffusing the situation and doing what it takes for the guy to leave is a ligitimate action to take. I have no idea how I would react, I just hope I would do what the situation called for to go home that night safe. Fight or flight. BOTH responses have served us well for a long time.

powerman is correct in SOME points. True, in order to take a life legaly, one must be in fear of his own or someone elses. they must be in the offence of a crime involving death or serious bodily harm. a thug holding a gun to a mans chest is a crime where he is threatening the victim with death/serious bodily harm where as legaly deadly force can be used.

Now the prove you had no escape is BS in most states. in fact only a select few (for some reason FL comes to mind) states require you to exauhst all other mean first even if it puts you in danger. i think that law may have recently been stricken from FLs books. but that type of law is asinine if you ask me. again most states including Utah and Arizona do not have the attempt to escape clause.

just a guy that wants a hit of crack? not when a gun gets involved. things get a little more personal then. defusing the situation is not always a possiblity. if someone is crazy enough to pull a gun on somone, thier sence of reason is usualy gone.

none of us realy know how we will react. hopefully for those of us whom have trained for this and/or similar situations will react accordingly. i know one thing though, i dont give a damn about the bad guy, but i am going home to my family at night. even if it mean explaining why the guy has 16 rounds in him.

fight or flight. hey, if your thing is to run like a little sheep, more power to you. no offence but it just aint me.

im just waiting for the L.E.O's and lawyers to pipe up on the use of force for this instance.

 

[Smittty9785]

Went up to Advanced auto in lehigh at bell blvd last night at 830 with reliablesteves brother, brian.

heading out to the jeep, im gettin in pass side, brian into the drivers, he had his door open when a decked out light black male buries a gun into his back demanding his wallet. Brian turns around, realizes whats going on, and tells him he doesnt have it. He then is pushed back into the jeep and the small hangun .22/9mm buried into his chest.

The guy went to XXXX it, already mashing the trigger, and it JAMMED!!! We were then able to flee into the auto store to call the police...

I give the Lehigh guys credit tho, first cop there w/in 3 minutes of call, chopper and k-9's to follow...

Same description guy and gun 15 minutes later rob a wallet in the walmart parking lot...

Didnt find 'em yet!
FRIGGIN SCARY!!!

you folks are lucky, you better start praying to someone my friend...

 

[Beej]

well i have been in that situation kinda... i had a kid in highschool get pissed and held i knife to my chest and i told him to cool down and in the middle of one of my sentences i grabbed the hand with the knife i kicked the front of his knee cap and threw to elbows to his face then he let go and kick him in the ribs and me and his knife left. i didnt stab him like he would me but im not gonna let someone hold my life in there hands and let them chose if i get stab or shot im at least going to do something about it before that happens.

I find it hard to believe you were able to kick his kneecap in quarters close enough for him to hold a knife to your chest. If you were close enough to throw an elbow in his face, you were too close to raise your own knee high enough to get a shot at his kneecap...

 

[8Mud]

The big question when dealing with the courts is reasonable force. Reasonable being the key word. Basically, when you have no place to hide and no place to run and your life is in danger, you got to fight.
Basically military stuff, cover (something solid to hide behind) concealment (something to hide behind that may or may not stop a bullet). Getting out of the impact zone (or running to someplace where the bombs or bullets aren't flying). And lastly charging the ambush (when there is no place to run and no place to hide, charge).
My first trip to court, I actually did something right. The lawyer asked me why I didn't just point the gun at him and hold him until the police arrived. My answer was he didn't have a mask on, lawyer says what does that have to do with it. My answer was, it was likely he didn't plan on leaving any witnesses. If he would have had a mask on, I would have given him the cash. Lawyer, had no further questions.

 

[Powerman]

For once I'm not trying to debate anything. I don't have a problem carrying, or shooting someone that lives on the wrong side of the law. I never said running like a little sheep was my thing. If you are Billy Badass, goody for you. That is not hard to do on a Jeep forum. All I'm trying to say is that if your goal is to go home to your family at the end of the day, there are a lot of ways to accomplish that. Guns are not the Nuclear trump card everyone makes them out to be. In this very case, he could have had a nice H&K sitting in his back and it wouldn't have stopped the guy from pulling the trigger as he did. And regardless of the talk, there isn't many people that would have been able to force a different outcome.

I think the fact that you had a gun to your chest, the guy pulled the trigger, you went home instead of the hospital, and you didn't loose a penny was a really great day. What would have been worse was that when the guy ran away, you chased him, he cleared his jam, and put 2 in your head. It's easy to play web Rambo. Nobody can say what they "think" they would do. Everyone would do the same, "react" to the situation at hand, and hopefully be able to pick it apart with hind sight when it is over.

 

[BrettM]

did he run immediately after it jammed? were there any other guys with him?

I like to think I would take that guy to the ground as soon as it jammed, you don't want him clearing it and getting a few off. plus, you know you have backup that will only take 2.6 seconds to jump across the hood...

yikes

you'll have a very thankful thanksgiving

 

[KarlVP]

Quick question, in this situation... who has more adrenaline pumping.

The robber or the robee?