Robbed at Gun point!!!

Since concealed weapons permit was brought up I will hijack the thread a bit more:
1. Those interested should checkout www.combatcarry.com It's a great forum for those who are interested in self defense.
2. When you draw you better be ready to fire. You might not have to but you better be ready willing and able.
3. There will be consequences of your actions. You better buy extra insurance to cover lawyer fees. Now granted it's better to be alive then dead but your actions might cost you everything you own even if you did everything right.
4. If you end up having to shoot someone, when cops show up cooperate to the point of "I am in shock, I want a lawyer, I'm not saying anything else but my name". Whatever you say to the cop will be used against you later (no matter how friendly teh cop is) in either criminal or civil case (you might have to go first through criminal if there are any questions about the shoot and then probably civil if someone will want to make money on you)

And training is a must: hit the range often and keep your weapon in good running condition and know how particular ammo behaves in your carry gun (don't carry an untested gun or ammo).

Lastly: concealed means concealed. Also you get no badge with the permit: this means you're not there to play a vigilante and hero. Someone's robbing the bank you're in, great.. let them take money and take no action unless lifes are in danger. If they are, make sure that your actions are not going to place even more lifes in danger. Use what's between your ears so that you don't have to use the automatic lead dispensing and delivery system.
 
ECKSJAY said:
In theory, yeah...but the less powerful the round is, the less likely it's going to do anything really bad.
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Yes and no: lets not get started the shot placement vs caliber vs stopping power debate ;) In general a gun is a gun. And if someone is pointing a 9mm at you, the fact it is 9mm does not mean that you can just pull your 45 like nothing is going on because your gun is bigger then his gun. Even .22 at close range can turn deadly.
 
Kejtar said:
I read an article recently where someone died from a .22 shot because the bullet traveled to the heart through an artery or something like that.... talk about a shitty way to go.
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Doubled, ignore.
 
I still seperate my wallets, one in one pocket, one in another. A habit I picked up 40-50 years ago.
Situational awarenss, like the man said. I'm carefull where I park, have my keys ready before I get to the XJ, habitually have the hound with me.
I have the habit of most always watching someones hands. Tunnel vision of the hands. Last night when I was returning to the XJ, guy walking up a deserted street. Carrying an umbrella (unusual), right away with a mental (you jerk) tore my eyes away from his umbrella and noticed he had his left hand in his pocket. Right hand holding the umbrella. I still walked a good three feet to his left. He would have had to twist to draw.
Fear is a survivial trait. Bravery will get you dead. Use your brain. Preidictability is also to be avoided.
I've been robbed (or attemped) more than a few times (over about 45 years or so). One guy pulled a pistol when he was still 30 feet away, I was gone like a rabbit. Two guys came into a store when I was behind the counter, he had the pistol pointed down behind his leg. I pulled a Ruger 30 cal carbine revolver (from under the counter) and shot him right through his partner, actually the bullet went through both of them. Got knocked out (hit with a sap at he base of the skull) and my wallet lifted at a bus station ($800). Guy with a knife got my wallet on the way to the parking lot, after a swing shift. Same swing shift a few months later on the way to the same parking lot, put a 9mm round in the same guys briskit. Guy and his girl frined botched it, his pistol hung in his belt he looked down. I was gone. Saw the guy like two months later, sitting in a chair waiting to get his hair cut, I came up beside him real quiet, coughed real loud, he truned around quick and his nose was burried in my crotch. Remember me asshat, haven't seen him since.
Perosonal rule, if he woud have actually pointed the pistol at me, he wouldn't have gotten a second chance.
My son saved my bacon, picking up cash at the automatic teller, two guys waiting around the corner, my son (waiting for me in the XJ) turned on the headlights, then the high beams, was out of the XJ with the hound barking and raising hell. I taught him well.
There is always tomorrow, hopefully.
 
Speed_racer said:
.22/9mm was only stated b/c i had no way to be positive the size of the gun.
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then that is the MOST dangerous type of a gun. I have seen some really compact .45's that at first glance could be dismissed as being of smaller caliber.
 
One of my first jobs (18 y.o.) was working for a pizza franchise. As a delivery driver I was robbed at gun point twice and then as the assistant manager I was robbed at gun point and shots were fired. The dude was a crappy shot and the bullets went everywhere else except near me. He hauled a$$ out of the store and starting running through our parking lot. It was near closing time so I had pulled my Trans Am up to the front doors and had the T-tops off so I ran out and jumped into it with every intent on running this guy down. A coworker stopped me as I was screeching away. When the cops came, I was informed that if I would have run him down, then I would most likely get in more trouble then the dude that robbed me. That's messed up, especially after he had fired shots at me. Self defense right? Needless to say, I'm glad that I moved away from the central valley. Way too much crime down there.
 
Kejtar said:
then that is the MOST dangerous type of a gun. I have seen some really compact .45's that at first glance could be dismissed as being of smaller caliber.
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I used to own a Taurus Millenium .45 that would hold 11 total rounds, and the whole thing would fit without hanging off in the palm of my hand.

But it was a .22 or 9mm, guaranteed.
 
Lots of times it isn't the size of the round it's where you put it. Aim small miss small. A 9mm round to the sternum will mess up most anybodies day. I bounced a .357 round off of a dogs skull (frothing at the mouth, staggering and biting bushes and stuff, likely Rabies), cured me of trying for head shots. A fluke maybe, but I don't trust head shots anymore.
My round of choice is the .44 special in a target load, semi jacketed wad cutter. I hunt a lot of wild pig, and have had to put a second round in more than a few, they die hard. .44 special wad cutter doesn't go all the way through, dumps most all it's energy into whatever you are shooting at and mushrooms up to about 5/8 inch. It knocks them down (though it does mess up some meat). Like my rifle of choice when hunting pigs in a thicket, is the Remignton .35 softpoint rifle bullet. Big, slow and dumps all it's energy into whatever you shoot, knocks them down. If a high velocity bullet goes all the way through (which is likely) much of the energy can be wasted. You can't really count on hydrostatic shock to do the job, it can be iffy. You always have to worry about were the bullet is going when it travels all the way through something.
The trouble with big pistol calibers, is the recoil, with a smaller caliber you can get a second shot off a lot quicker. Another reason to carry a smaller caliber is if you ever go to court, you can just about guarantee the lawyer on the other side, will make a big deal out of a larger caliber. I've heard them making the speech about the all powerfull magnum, the jurors don't know that a magnum pistol round is rarley half the velocity of a standard rifle round. One reason I use the .44 special, rather than the magnum, is that it often works better than the magnum and has less recoil. If it works well on pigs, it likely works well on everything.
 
Speed_racer said:
I used to own a Taurus Millenium .45 that would hold 11 total rounds, and the whole thing would fit without hanging off in the palm of my hand.

But it was a .22 or 9mm, guaranteed.
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Or possibly a .32 or a 9mm short. .32 used to be the pistol of choice for pimps, actually a pretty decent round for target shooting. A whole lot of auto's made in that caliber over the years.
 
Wow man, crazy story. I'm glad you are your friends are okay. I've had a gun pointed at me a few times, but luckily I've never had anyone fire or attempt to fire. Its a really, really scary feeling and you don't ever completely forget about it.
 
.22 or 9mm? Thats quite a big difference.

So it could have been .25, .32, .357, .38, .380, 9mm, .40 ?????????
 
JohnX said:
.22 or 9mm? Thats quite a big difference.

So it could have been .25, .32, .357, .38, .380, 9mm, .40 ?????????
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You guys are looking a little too deep into things.

I know handguns pretty well, it was a newer gun, slant front, cheapo, black grip, silver, non chrome, slide.

For the last time, it was a 9mm or .22 and regardless I dont give a damn if it was a BB gun, in a black parking lot, shit is scary!!
 
JohnX said:
.22 or 9mm? Thats quite a big difference.

So it could have been .25, .32, .357, .38, .380, 9mm, .40 ?????????
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Yes, it's strange that Speedracer is so convinced about it being a 9mm/.22, but I think it's academic in terms of the story. Having a 9mm pointed at you is scary, and I don't think a .22 isn't much less scary. Either way, glad to hear the incident ended without anyone getting hurt.

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speed_racer said:
I know handguns pretty well, it was a newer gun, slant front, cheapo, black grip, silver, non chrome, slide.
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Forgive the skepticism, but it doesn't sound like you "know hand guns really well." That's pretty vague, and in no way points to it being exclusively a .22 or 9mm as you keep insisting. Like I said earlier, it doesn't really matter for the story.

-----Matt-----
 
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Speed_racer said:
You guys are looking a little too deep into things.

I know handguns pretty well, it was a newer gun, slant front, cheapo, black grip, silver, non chrome, slide.

For the last time, it was a 9mm or .22 and regardless I dont give a damn if it was a BB gun, in a black parking lot, shit is scary!!
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Not that i want to pick on you, but what you just described also could be a refinished sig (people put different coatings on guns: both slide and grip, to make them look different). All I was trying to say that the caliber doesn't matter. Gun is a gun: it's meant to go bang and you guys got lucky. Action to counter the gun should not be taken based on the caliber of the other gun but rather on the overall situation.
 
Kejtar said:
Not that i want to pick on you, but what you just described also could be a refinished sig (people put different coatings on guns: both slide and grip, to make them look different). All I was trying to say that the caliber doesn't matter. Gun is a gun: it's meant to go bang and you guys got lucky. Action to counter the gun should not be taken based on the caliber of the other gun but rather on the overall situation.
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Absolutely agreed.

Oh trust me, I'm the last one to ever take something wrong! lol!!

And i agree that it doesnt matter, .22 or .50, still frickin scary..

although I will admit, i wouldve been much more freaked if dude pulled out a D.E. or something! lol
 
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