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I'll start...When I was hired for this job, I was told one benefit of seniority is getting the better schedule. If there's a schedule involving weekends, you get to have weekends off while the newer guys work the weekend. Well, I've been here almost a year now, and am working every weekend. When I applied for the job, I put down that Sundays are a no go, that's the day I go to church. We have a new guy, and I have nothing against him, he's a cool guy, but I'm pissed that I'm on weekend shifts and having to miss church. That's the day when I actually got to see most of my family, as they're all busy working also and live an hour away so its not like we'd be able to just drop by...Especially since I get home at 6 and we have kids who need to be in bed by 9. I know there's worse things out there, but they affect me :D so I'm just complaining bout my "problems". Well, guess that's it.
Your turn :)
 
I feel for you, working weekends sucks. I worked night shift and every other weekend for 13 years.
Im a truckdriver. Honestly, I hate the job, but it does have a couple good points that keep me coming back. It pays pretty good and truckdriving jobs outnumber truckdrivers so as long as I keep my driving record clean, I can move on to another employer almost at will. Theres alot of freedom in being able to quit at any time, even if you dont actually do it, its nice knowing you can.
 
I'm a tech, and with that comes the 24/7 electronic leash. You either like it, revel in it, or despise it. After a number of years, I grew to despise it, and won't do it anymore. As far as complaints, I tend to find those day which I need to interface with unreasonable people to be the least rewarding.

You need to examine why it is that you work and if your hours fit your lifestyle.
Some times work is something that we enjoy, or has a good rate of pay, and for those jobs, people make sacrifices on their personal time. For example, Police, or Doctors. They don't need to work those hours, but they will because it is a career choice.

If BlackSport needs Sat off, he should either confront his employer, or find something else which doesn't involve Saturday work. There is a Job and a Career for most any livestyle out there.

Ron
 
This last pay period (ended yesterday) is the first one this year where I've had less than 100 hours. Some have had north of 120 on a period.

This last one was a short period for me as I took a day off, but I still logged 89.5 hours and can barely stay up on the work load. No end in sight either, and that's what's really exhausting. I was sitting in a meeting Friday looking out the window at the snow falling on the timber in the mountains wishing I was up there. It's pretty bad when I'd rather be slugging through snow than sitting in a warm office.

BTW, all overtime is 'voluntary' and paid twice a year as a bonus, so I don't even have the advantage of a big check.
 
SCW said:
This last pay period (ended yesterday) is the first one this year where I've had less than 100 hours. Some have had north of 120 on a period.

Wow, and Im upset that im working around 55-60 hours/week.
When I started this job a year ago, I was very clear that I wanted a 40 hr work week. I was told that would be the deal. Ive probably had maybe three weeks under 50 hours and most have been around 60 with a couple higher.
Ive got to do something, 60 hrs per week is just too much for me right now.
 
SCW said:
This last pay period (ended yesterday) is the first one this year where I've had less than 100 hours. Some have had north of 120 on a period.

What is a "pay period"?

I hope they figure your OT on a 40 hour work week and not some weird "Pay Period". 80 hours plus 20 OT is a bit excessive, but works out to (5) 10 hour days over 2 weeks.

Ron
 
This was emailed me recently and I have to say, I'm already seeing this kind of thing in action around me. I thought it appropriate here in this thread as its representative of the kinds of complaints that are already coming from posters. This is not at all a criticism of the viewpoints already presented, its more of a reckoning that what you are finding difficult putting up with now, will not even be considered let alone tolerated by the "Millenials".

The days of working in situations of "endentured servitude" are passing quickly. In fifteen years, we will be seeing corporations scratching their heads trying to figure out what to do when they can't keep their staff. This next generation doesn't care about the money as much and won't keep slogging away under the auspices of loyalty to the hand that feeds them the way my parents' generation did.

I find it kind of funny the way that Safer has characterized this, as though it has a negative connotation. Guess what? Times are changing, and if you don't ride the wave of change, you will find yourself under it...

I realize this is a long read, but I believe its well worth it...




The "Millennials" Are Coming!

Morley Safer On The New Generation Of American Worker
Nov. 11, 2007

Stand back all bosses! A new breed of American worker is about to attack everything you hold sacred: from giving orders, to your starched white shirt and tie. They are called, among other things, "millennials." There are about 80 million of them, born between 1980 and 1995, and they're rapidly taking over from the baby boomers who are now pushing 60.

They were raised by doting parents who told them they are special, played in little leagues with no winners or losers, or all winners. They are laden with trophies just for participating and they think your business-as-usual ethic is for the birds. And if you persist in the belief, you can take your job and shove it.

As correspondent Morley Safer reports, corporate America is so unnerved by all this that companies like Merrill Lynch, Ernst & Young, Disney and scores of others are hiring consultants to teach them how to deal with this generation that only takes "yes" for an answer.

The workplace has become a psychological battlefield and the millennials have the upper hand, because they are tech savvy, with every gadget imaginable almost becoming an extension of their bodies. They multitask, talk, walk, listen and type, and text. And their priorities are simple: they come first.

Just ask Marian Salzman, an ad agency executive at J. Walter Thompson, who has been managing and tracking millennials since they entered the workforce.

"Some of them are the greatest generation. They're more hardworking. They have these tools to get things done," she explains. "They are enormously clever and resourceful. Some of the others are absolutely incorrigible. It's their way or the highway. The rest of us are old, redundant, should be retired. How dare we come in, anyone over 30. Not only can't be trusted, can't be counted upon to be, sort of, coherent."

Salzman says today's manager must be half shrink and half diplomat.

What are some of the do's and don'ts in speaking to the generation of young workers?

"You do have to speak to them a little bit like a therapist on television might speak to a patient," Salzman says, laughing. "You can't be harsh. You cannot tell them you're disappointed in them. You can't really ask them to live and breathe the company. Because they're living and breathing themselves and that keeps them very busy."

Faced with new employees who want to roll into work with their iPods and flip flops around noon, but still be CEO by Friday, companies are realizing that the era of the buttoned down exec happy to have a job is as dead as the three-Martini lunch.

"These young people will tell you what time their yoga class is and the day's work will be organized around the fact that they have this commitment. So you actually envy them. How wonderful it is to be young and have your priorities so clear. Flipside of it is how awful it is to be managing the extension, sort of, of the teenage babysitting pool," Salzman tells Safer.

All of which has led, as you'd expect, to a whole new industry -- or epidemic -- of consultants, experts they allege, in how to motivate, train and, yes, sometimes nanny the extraterrestrials who've taken over the workplace.

Mary Crane, who once whipped up soufflés for the White House, now offers crash courses for millennials in, well, the obvious. "As to the tattoos just make sure they stay covered up within the office, especially if you are going to be meeting clients," she advises her clients.

"It's a perfect storm we have created to put these people in a position where they suddenly have to perform as professionals and haven’t been trained," Crane says.

Basic training, like how to eat with a knife and fork, or indeed how to work. Today, fewer and fewer middle class kids hold summer jobs because mowing lawns does not get you into Harvard.

"They have climbed Mount Everest. They've been down to Machu Picchu to help excavate it. But they've never punched a time clock. They have no idea what it's like to actually be in an office at nine o'clock, with people handing them work. And oh, by the way, possibly asking them to stay late in the evening, or their weekends," Crane says.

She maintains that while this generation has extraordinary technical skills, childhoods filled with trophies and adulation didn't prepare them for the cold realities of work.

"You now have a generation coming into the workplace that has grown up with the expectation that they will automatically win, and they'll always be rewarded, even for just showing up," Crane says.

"To what extent are you having to tell the boomers, the bosses, the 50 to 60 year olds, 'The people who got to change are you guys, not them?'" Safer asks.

"The boomers do need to hear the message, that they're gonna have to start focusing more on coaching rather than bossing. If this generation in particular, you just tell them, 'You got to do this. You got to do this. You got to do this.' They truly will walk. And every major law firm, every major company knows, this is the future," Crane explains.
It's a future of sweet talking bosses, no more "Pay your dues just like I did." If this generation knows anything, it's that there are more jobs than young people to fill them.

"I believe that they actually think of themselves like merchandise on eBay. 'If you don't want me, Mr. Employer, I'll go sell myself down the street. I'll probably get more money. I'll definitely get a better experience. And by the way, they'll adore me. You only like me,'" Salzman says.

So who's to blame for the narcissistic praise hounds now taking over the office?

Wall Street Journal columnist Jeffrey Zaslow covers trends in the workplace and points the finger at the man who once was America’s favorite next door neighbor: Mister Rogers.

"You have got a guy like Mister Rogers, Fred Rogers on TV. He was telling his preschoolers, 'You're special. You're special.' And he meant well. But we, as parents, ran with it. And we said, 'You, Junior, are special, and you're special and you're special and you're special.' And for doing what? We didn't really explain that," Zaslow says.

"But isn't this generation, particularly of middle class kids, really quite special? Aren't they, in some ways, much better than your generation, certainly mine," Safer remarks.

"Well, except, when we were younger, you had a piano teacher who expected you to practice your piano and work hard at it, and the parents expected it. And now, the parents say, 'Have fun, learn the piano, practice a little bit.' So, there's not the expectations that they will achieve and work hard," Zaslow says. "It's not the same work ethic."

Zaslow says that the coddling virus continues to eat away even when junior goes off to college. "I heard from several professors who said, a student will come up after class and say, 'I don't like my grade, and my mom wants to talk to you, here's the phone,'" he says. "And the students think it's like a service. 'I deserve an A because I'm paying for it. What are you giving me a C for?'"

Today more than half of college seniors move home after graduation. It's a safety net, or safety diaper, that allows many kids to quickly opt out of a job they don't like.

"There once was, if not shame, a little certain uneasiness about being seen to be living at home in your mid 20s, yes?" Safer asks Mary Crane.

"Not only is there no shame with it, but this is thought to be a very smart, wise, economic decision," Crane says.

"Well, that would suggest that they probably had pretty happy childhoods," Safer says.

"And who couldn't be happy when you're growing up in a world where there's no failure?" Crane points out.

And dear old mom isn’t just your landlord; she is your agent as well. "Career services departments are complaining about the parents who are coming to update their child's resume. And in fact, you go to employers, and they're starting to express concern now with the parents who will phone HR, saying, 'But my little Susie or little Johnny didn't get the performance evaluation that I think they deserve,'" Crane says.

"Our parents really took from us that opportunity to fall down on our face and learn how to stand up," says Jason Dorsey.

Dorsey and Ryan Healy both make a living advising their fellow 20 some-things on how to cope with work. Healy started a Web site for that purpose and Dorsey has written two how-to books for them. And while Dorsey admits his mother picked out his suit for his interview with 60 Minutes, his generation is not going to make the same mistakes their parents made.

"We're not going to settle. Because we saw our parents settle," Dorsey says. "And we have options. That we can keep hopping jobs. No longer is it bad to have four jobs on your resume in a year. Whereas for our parents or even Gen X, that was terrible. But that's the new reality for us. And we're going to keep adapting and switching and trying new things until we figure out what it is."

And figuring it out takes time. Sociologists tell us most Americans believe adulthood begins at 26 or older and that having witnessed so many sacrifices by their parents to achieve middle class security has had a huge impact. Family and friends are the new priorities, while blind careerism is beginning to fade.

"We definitely put lifestyle and friends above work. No question about it," Dorsey tells

Both Dorsey and Healy feel that that's pretty much the way one should look at life.
"I remember my dad getting laid off and all these things growing up. And that's 'cause they sacrificed for the company. Well, the first knee jerk reaction from me is I sure don't want to do that. I'm going to be in it for me and I'm going to make it work," Dorsey says.

"Where does this fantasy about 'I'm going to find the dream job' -- there's no such thing as a dream job. I mean, a few of us like me happen to have it. But where does this fantasy come from?" Safer asks Dorsey.

"I think we were told when we were little, 'You can be anything you want.' And then they went on and on and told us this," he replies.

"Big lie, right?" Safer asks.

"Big goals are great. Selling a fantasy that everything's going to be perfect and peachy is not," Dorsey says.

"I also think from, when you're in your early 20s and you're really not responsible to a family of kids, this is the time to find the best job, the best career. You know, what you really want to do," Healy adds.

And more and more businesses are responding, offering free food, fun and flexibility to keep their employees happy.

Online shoe retailer Zappos.com has found that the best way of keeping employees is giving them what they want. Actual work actually happens, despite goofy parades, snoozing in the nap room, and plenty of happy hours.

Motivational consultant Bob Nelson says companies like Zappos will avoid a looming demographic crisis. "It's harder to get people. There's gonna be fewer of them to get. And if you want to keep them and get the best out of them, you sure better know what presses their buttons," he explains.

Nelson, known in the trade as the "guru of thank you," believes that the teeniest rewards pay big dividends, regardless of age. And boss-abuse gets even bigger dividends.

"I've worked with managers that have, if we make this goal, they'll shave their head type thing," Nelson says, laughing. "Or they'll be in the dunk tank at the summer picnic. When a senior manager's willing to do that is, it says we're all in it together."

All that togetherness comes together every year at the Motivation Show in Chicago -- with acre upon acre of coaches, consultants, knickknacks and fancy stuff -- rewards for a job well done, and reminders to work harder.

"You think this would help motivate people to work harder?" Safer asks a masseuse.

"Oh it does," the masseuse says.

But for sure, there is an almost evangelical fervor about this work philosophy -- no stick, all carrots. And believe it or not, all this prodding, praising, peddling, cajoling and psychobabble is worth $50 billion a year in business. Ain't America great?

Where else you find free back rubs for the deserving worker bee. What’s wrong with a happy workplace and taking your time to grow up?

"Could this be that everything is being delayed so that adolescence ends at 30 say and middle age starts at 60 say?" Safer asks Jeffrey Zaslow.

"You can hope that's the case. But, while we're having this delayed adolescence, are we getting behind as an economy and as a workforce, because we're just all playing computer games at work while we wait to grow up?" he replies.

For all the complaining, Dorsey and Healy believe their generation will transform the office into a much more efficient, flexible and yes, nicer place to be. But until then, a message to bosses everywhere: just don’t forget the praise.

"We want to hear it and truly we'd love for our parents to know. There's nothing better than Mom getting that letter saying, 'You know, Ryan did a great job. Yeah, I just wanted to let you know you raised a fantastic son,'" Dorsey says.

"Send it to grandma, too," Healy adds, laughing.
 
Im a forerunner of this new movement I guess. Born in 65, I was raised to believe in job loyalty but recently I realized that the job isnt necessarily loyal back to me. Life priorities change. Im just now realizing that Ive only got one life and its moving by pretty fast. I dont want to waste it working to make someone elses life better. My new goal is to work the least amount that I can and still have the finances to live life(its a balancing act).
You never hear a deing person say they regret not spending more time at work.
 
Its funny how true that story is, that is totally how I and most everyone I know, was raised. Although I believe my dad did instill a hard work ethic and a good attitude towards work in me. But it is true, and I've never really thought about it before, but their will be a lot more jobs then qualified people to take them, good for me i guess. And I do remember my dad getting laid off after something like 25 years at at&t, and I did think to myself f**k that! I won't put myself in a situation like that, where I'm forced to go scratching for a new job with no warning or anything. I figured if I want to have a secure job that has good benefits and a good enough pay to support my family, work for the government, and thats what I intend to do.
 
I gotta say, as a "millennial", I agree with what I read...the first few paragraphs. I think teaching kids that there is no winner in what is clearly a competitive situation (sports) is stupid. There's nothing wrong with having a clear winner and a clear loser. It encourages you to try harder. It prepares you for the fact that you won't always be the winner in life.
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The rewards quite often goes to the guy who pushed a little harder, even if he is a jerk and no one likes him
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I work 55 hrs/wk right now, and the number of hours isn't too bad, its just having to work every single weekend. I'd even be ok with every other. Its just I need to get more work done on my Jeep to keep it from shaking itself to pieces (SYE install) and fix the steering (90* off since putting on the new trackbar). I have nowhere to do th work and everyone who has somewhere to work works all week and is available on weekends...
 
Zuki-Ron said:
What is a "pay period"?

I hope they figure your OT on a 40 hour work week and not some weird "Pay Period". 80 hours plus 20 OT is a bit excessive, but works out to (5) 10 hour days over 2 weeks.

Ron

Ron, pay period is 1-15th and 16-end of the month, regardless of the # of days. They are a little bit hocus-pocus about calculating the bonus- based on a 45-hr week but only 38 hours billable, blah blah. They give me $3K in a health saving account and $7500 in a 401K each year in addition to the bonus, so I won't complain on the whole at all. Just tired.

The good news is we just hired some more help and although it will take a little while before they really lighten the load, it's nice to see.

Besides, we have to keep the lights on in Wisconsin, right! :D
 
:bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:

I work my 48+ hours in a 3 day period. That's 48+ hours in a 72 hour time frame. And I'm gone the whole time.

Quit complaining! :D
 
Yeah but you're not actually working, you're just riding...:D:D Much like I am working right now, and all day. Gotta say volunteering to work here has really helped me learn a lot about my Jeep from this place...
 
BlackSport96 said:
Yeah but you're not actually working, you're just riding...:D:D
Just in case you don't know, I really do drive the train. It's not computerized, and it doesn't run by itself. I make it go, and I make it stop. The only thing I don't do is steer! :D

See.......
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Yeah I know....I look grumpy!
 
TRNDRVR said:
Just in case you don't know, I really do drive the train. It's not computerized, and it doesn't run by itself. I make it go, and I make it stop. The only thing I don't do is steer! :D

See.......
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Yeah I know....I look grumpy!

I call shenanigans, where's the Carhartts and wooden whistle :D
 
And here I was thinking he could scare that train into taking a dirt road...... :wave:
 
I’m at work right now. We work a rotating shift with mostly 12 hour days. (got to keep the lights on). End up working two weekends out of seven, which I don’t think is bad. Like posted earlier, I think the kids are not being taught about life in general. When I was a kid and you tried out for the ball team. If you were not good enough, you didn’t make the team. Today it seems they are teaching that all are winners. Maybe in one since of speaking, but you are still not good enough to make the team. Let them go home and cry, it will make them wiser.

BTW train driver. Does that red button do what I think it does???
 
Cox89XJ said:
I’m at work right now. We work a rotating shift with mostly 12 hour days. (got to keep the lights on). End up working two weekends out of seven, which I don’t think is bad. Like posted earlier, I think the kids are not being taught about life in general. When I was a kid and you tried out for the ball team. If you were not good enough, you didn’t make the team. Today it seems they are teaching that all are winners. Maybe in one since of speaking, but you are still not good enough to make the team. Let them go home and cry, it will make them wiser.

That's the problem - all this touchy-feely stuff doesn't really teach them anything. When I was coming up, there were a couple of rules uber alles -

1) The world does not owe you a living. The world doesn't owe you a damned thing - it was here first.

2) Everyone expects you to accomplish something before you get to feel good about yourself.

Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with those ideas. So you didn't get picked for the basketball team? Maybe basketball isn't your game - there are others. I ran track - I was too mean for any sort of contact sports. No harm in that, is there?

Academically, kids failed. Kids were held back grades. Kids were also skipped ahead grades when they excelled - there wasn't any drivel about "social unity," or whatever they're calling it this week. Repeating a year in maths usually resulted in your managing to learn the material the second time around (since you knew you could end up going through it again next year, if this year didn't do it...)

When you learned the idea of holding a job, you learned that you would then end up working someone else's hours (you may be able to strike a compromise,) and you could get fired if you didn't do well - just like you could end up repeating a year or two of primary education.

I honestly think we've done our kids (in general) a disservice with all this pampering nonsense. That, and the false sense of entitlement that most of them have is going to cause trouble for them later. When someone thinks they're entitled to bloody everything they want, it's going to cause friction. Case in point:

A few months ago, I was at the filling station topping off my wife's car (I was working on it for the day - detail tuneup and the like.) I'd just pulled in and gotten started, the tank was empty, I knew it was going to take a minute.

This black kid pulls in with his shiny black ricemobile, and that Gawd-awful racket blaring all over the place. He didn't think to turn the noise down, so I asked him (rather politely, for me) to turn it down. After all, I was sure I wasn't the only one who wanted to listen to it.

His response? "I guess you'll just have to listen to it anyhow."

"OK - I'll give you a choice. It's a 'one of three' - you can turn it down, I can turn it down, or I can turn it off. Permanently."

"I guess you'll just have to listen to it." (Have I mentioned how I loathe incivility?)

"Son, 'No' wasn't an option there. You turn it down, I'll turn it down, or I'll turn it off." (he reaches for his pocket. I was ready for this - my hands came out of mine. My right stopped at my belt on the way up, and I now had about 3-1/2" of metal growing out of each fist.) "I know you've got a knife in your pocket - I saw that when you got out. The question you should now ask yourself is, 'Am I faster than him, or should I just turn it down?' I'm willing to bet you didn't know I had blades of my own, and that you didn't see me actually draw them. Just 'There they are!'"

Probably the first constructive thought he had in years - he turned around and turned that drivel down. I heard some applause behind me.

Damn kids - most of them only think of themselves, because that's what they've learned. They don't think past the ends of their noses (this is obvious when they drive,) and I'll continue to argue that they're "smarter and more capable" - most of them tune out when they get on the damn 'phone and try to do anything else at all. Beej - you and I have gotten into that before. Maybe kids are a shade smarter up in the Great White North, but that's a local issue. Most of them down here are dumb as a bag of hammers.

(I forgot - if this is the future of the world, where do I sign up for the Lunar colony?)
 
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