http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2011/02/the-tea-party-is-revolting.html
score one for reason.
score one for reason.
Patriot Act extension fails
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Milford Cubicle II
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atriot:Best thing to come out of Washington in... wait, how long has it been since the House tried to repeal ACA?
Milford Cubicle II
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And weren't like 13 of the votes to repeal from tea-party members? I like that.
It'll be interesting to see how well that part gets reported though
It'll be interesting to see how well that part gets reported though
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About damn time they use their brains. Now if only they'd stand up against more of his stupidity.
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I just hope they pass the whole internet ID act. It's the only way to be safe.
Patriot Act extension to be brought up again on Thursday
By Felicia Sonmez
The House on Thursday will again take up a bill that would extend until December key provisions of the Patriot Act counterterrorism surveillance law, two days after the measure fell seven votes short of the super-majority required for passage under fast-track rules.
The bill will be brought up again under a "closed rule," meaning that no amendments can be offered. It will need only a simple majority to pass instead of the two-thirds that was required on Tuesday.
That means that the bill will likely be approved. On Tuesday, 277 lawmakers supported the measure, well more than half of the chamber's members.
Lawmakers will vote on Thursday on the rules governing debate on the measure. That will be followed by debate and a vote on the measure itself, which has yet to be scheduled. A House Republican leadership aide said that GOP leaders are working with members to address any concerns they might have and that they expect the bill to move forward "in the coming days."
The timeline facing lawmakers could be tricky. The three provisions that would be extended by the bill are set to expire on Feb. 28 unless Congress acts.
Even if the House passes its version of the legislation well before then, the Senate - which is in recess until next week - still has to sign off. And the Senate is debating three different timelines, any of which would extend the Patriot Act provisions beyond the December date called for in the House bill.
Key members of the Senate Judiciary Committee have indicated that Feb. 17 is the target date by which the upper chamber must act in order for the provisions to be extended.
The failure on Tuesday of the Patriot Act extension was one of several unexpected turns on the House floor in recent days. Earlier Tuesday, over objections from conservatives, GOP leaders pulled a bill that would have assisted U.S. workers hurt by overseas competition.
And on Wednesday, a measure to take back $180 million in funds the U.S. has already given to the United Nations also fell short of a two-thirds super-majority.
The bill, which had been fast-tracked, failed on a 259-to-169 vote. It had been sponsored by House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) but was opposed by House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Peter King (R-N.Y.), who was one of two Republicans to vote against it Wednesday.
Democrats charged that the failed votes indicate that the GOP is in "disarray."
"I don't know why the leadership would call votes on issues that they don't have any idea of what the outcome's likely to be," said Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), one of the most oustpoken opponents of the Patriot Act. "This is twice in a row. I'm not really sure what the strategy is. ... It's not working for them."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/02/patriot-act-extension-to-be-br.html
By Felicia Sonmez
The House on Thursday will again take up a bill that would extend until December key provisions of the Patriot Act counterterrorism surveillance law, two days after the measure fell seven votes short of the super-majority required for passage under fast-track rules.
The bill will be brought up again under a "closed rule," meaning that no amendments can be offered. It will need only a simple majority to pass instead of the two-thirds that was required on Tuesday.
That means that the bill will likely be approved. On Tuesday, 277 lawmakers supported the measure, well more than half of the chamber's members.
Lawmakers will vote on Thursday on the rules governing debate on the measure. That will be followed by debate and a vote on the measure itself, which has yet to be scheduled. A House Republican leadership aide said that GOP leaders are working with members to address any concerns they might have and that they expect the bill to move forward "in the coming days."
The timeline facing lawmakers could be tricky. The three provisions that would be extended by the bill are set to expire on Feb. 28 unless Congress acts.
Even if the House passes its version of the legislation well before then, the Senate - which is in recess until next week - still has to sign off. And the Senate is debating three different timelines, any of which would extend the Patriot Act provisions beyond the December date called for in the House bill.
Key members of the Senate Judiciary Committee have indicated that Feb. 17 is the target date by which the upper chamber must act in order for the provisions to be extended.
The failure on Tuesday of the Patriot Act extension was one of several unexpected turns on the House floor in recent days. Earlier Tuesday, over objections from conservatives, GOP leaders pulled a bill that would have assisted U.S. workers hurt by overseas competition.
And on Wednesday, a measure to take back $180 million in funds the U.S. has already given to the United Nations also fell short of a two-thirds super-majority.
The bill, which had been fast-tracked, failed on a 259-to-169 vote. It had been sponsored by House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) but was opposed by House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Peter King (R-N.Y.), who was one of two Republicans to vote against it Wednesday.
Democrats charged that the failed votes indicate that the GOP is in "disarray."
"I don't know why the leadership would call votes on issues that they don't have any idea of what the outcome's likely to be," said Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), one of the most oustpoken opponents of the Patriot Act. "This is twice in a row. I'm not really sure what the strategy is. ... It's not working for them."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/02/patriot-act-extension-to-be-br.html
On Second Try, House Passes PATRIOT Act Extension
February 14, 2011 7:24 PM
ABC News' John R. Parkinson reports:
It took an extra six days, but the House of Representatives has passed a measure Monday evening extending three provisions in the PATRIOT Act set to expire at the end of the month.
The vote passed by a final tally of 275-144. Twenty-seven Republicans voted against the measure, while 65 Democrats supported its passage.
The measure extends powers for investigators in national security cases to conduct “roving” wiretaps, to seek certain business records, and to gather intelligence on lone terrorists who are not affiliated with a known terrorist group.
The House-passed bill extends the provisions until December 8, 2011, giving Congress more time to review the impact of the legislation before considering a long-term extension. The Senate has yet to act on the measure.
Rep. Lamar Smith, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said that if the House and Senate fail to come to an agreement to extend the expiring provisions, it could prevent the intelligence needed to stop the next attack from being collected.
“These types of provisions have been used by domestic law enforcement agencies for years to apprehend typical criminals. It makes no sense to let law enforcement officials use a tool to investigate a drug dealer, but then deny that same authority to intelligence officials investigating terrorists,” Smith, R-Texas, said in a statement Monday evening. “These are common sense provisions that prevent terrorist attacks, protect the American people, and preserve civil liberties. A temporary extension of these provisions is the only way to provide House Members the time to study the law, hold hearings, consider amendments, and conduct markups. Without an extension of these authorities, we will forfeit our ability to prevent terrorist attacks.”
Last week, the House failed by a vote of 277-148 to get the two-thirds majority it needed to pass under the rules of suspensions.
The bill now heads to the Senate, where three different senators - Leahy, Feinstein and Grassley - have introduced three individual bills to extend portions of the PATRIOT Act, complicating the effort for a long-term extension.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/02/on-second-try-house-passes-patriot-act-extension.html
February 14, 2011 7:24 PM
ABC News' John R. Parkinson reports:
It took an extra six days, but the House of Representatives has passed a measure Monday evening extending three provisions in the PATRIOT Act set to expire at the end of the month.
The vote passed by a final tally of 275-144. Twenty-seven Republicans voted against the measure, while 65 Democrats supported its passage.
The measure extends powers for investigators in national security cases to conduct “roving” wiretaps, to seek certain business records, and to gather intelligence on lone terrorists who are not affiliated with a known terrorist group.
The House-passed bill extends the provisions until December 8, 2011, giving Congress more time to review the impact of the legislation before considering a long-term extension. The Senate has yet to act on the measure.
Rep. Lamar Smith, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said that if the House and Senate fail to come to an agreement to extend the expiring provisions, it could prevent the intelligence needed to stop the next attack from being collected.
“These types of provisions have been used by domestic law enforcement agencies for years to apprehend typical criminals. It makes no sense to let law enforcement officials use a tool to investigate a drug dealer, but then deny that same authority to intelligence officials investigating terrorists,” Smith, R-Texas, said in a statement Monday evening. “These are common sense provisions that prevent terrorist attacks, protect the American people, and preserve civil liberties. A temporary extension of these provisions is the only way to provide House Members the time to study the law, hold hearings, consider amendments, and conduct markups. Without an extension of these authorities, we will forfeit our ability to prevent terrorist attacks.”
Last week, the House failed by a vote of 277-148 to get the two-thirds majority it needed to pass under the rules of suspensions.
The bill now heads to the Senate, where three different senators - Leahy, Feinstein and Grassley - have introduced three individual bills to extend portions of the PATRIOT Act, complicating the effort for a long-term extension.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/02/on-second-try-house-passes-patriot-act-extension.html
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My rep (Neal, D-MA) voted nay. If he votes against the ACA next time it gets brought up, I just might have to vote for him...
... and I'll be writing him to say that.
... and I'll be writing him to say that.
Senate Passes 90-Day Extension of Patriot Act
(Credit: AP / CBS) February 15, 2011
The Senate has passed a 90-day extension of Patriot Act with 86 ayes and 12 nays to allow more time to work out a longer term solution for three expiring provisions in the anti-terrorism bill. It now goes to the House. If Congress does not act the provisions would expire at the end of February.
"Extend it to May. It will give us time then. It's very important that it not expire," said Senator Dianne Feinstein Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. "It gives us more time because there are three different bills and a lot of stuff going on and you can't sort it out. So this will give some time."
"We're talking about a ninety day extension to give us time to bring it up for full debate on the floor. Obviously we don't have time to do that before the end of the week," said Senator Saxby Chambliss, R-GA, top ranking republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee. "As of right now I have no qualms with doing that."
"I wouldn't have any problem with that," Senator Patrick Leahy, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee said. "It takes a little bit of pressure off."
The Senate is split over how to proceed on the Patriot Act extension for the long term - a three way split. The disagreement arises over competing issues on how long to extend the anti-terrorism surveillance tools which expire at the end of February and how much oversight to include.
The expiring provisions grant authority for roving wiretaps on terror suspects that move from phone to phone or other electronic devices. Another provision allows for the examination of library records, bookstore records and other business records of terror suspects. The third provision permits surveillance of "lone wolf" suspects, those who act alone who may not be tied or involved with recognized terror organizations.
Leahy introduced legislation to extend the three expiring provisions through 2013; it also adds additional safeguards to the act which would provide for increased oversight of U.S. Intelligence gathering tools.
Feinstein introduced legislation to extend the three expiring provisions through 2013, but does not have any of the oversight language contained in Leahy's bill.
Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Republican Charles Grassley, R-IA, has introduced a bill along with Republican Senate Minority Leader McConnell, R-KY, that permanently extends the expiring provisions.
Senator Rand Paul, R-KY, expressed his opposition to the Patriot Act reauthorization in a letter sent to Senators and called upon his Senate colleagues to "seriously consider whether the time has come to re-evaluate many - if not all - provisions of the Patriot Act."
The current provisions in the Patriot Act expire on February 28. Congress is scheduled to leave town at the end of the week for Presidents' Day recess.
The House would have to approve any short term extension the Senate works out. On Monday night the House approved an extension of the expiring provisions through December 2011.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20032133-503544.html
(Credit: AP / CBS) February 15, 2011
The Senate has passed a 90-day extension of Patriot Act with 86 ayes and 12 nays to allow more time to work out a longer term solution for three expiring provisions in the anti-terrorism bill. It now goes to the House. If Congress does not act the provisions would expire at the end of February.
"Extend it to May. It will give us time then. It's very important that it not expire," said Senator Dianne Feinstein Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. "It gives us more time because there are three different bills and a lot of stuff going on and you can't sort it out. So this will give some time."
"We're talking about a ninety day extension to give us time to bring it up for full debate on the floor. Obviously we don't have time to do that before the end of the week," said Senator Saxby Chambliss, R-GA, top ranking republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee. "As of right now I have no qualms with doing that."
"I wouldn't have any problem with that," Senator Patrick Leahy, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee said. "It takes a little bit of pressure off."
The Senate is split over how to proceed on the Patriot Act extension for the long term - a three way split. The disagreement arises over competing issues on how long to extend the anti-terrorism surveillance tools which expire at the end of February and how much oversight to include.
The expiring provisions grant authority for roving wiretaps on terror suspects that move from phone to phone or other electronic devices. Another provision allows for the examination of library records, bookstore records and other business records of terror suspects. The third provision permits surveillance of "lone wolf" suspects, those who act alone who may not be tied or involved with recognized terror organizations.
Leahy introduced legislation to extend the three expiring provisions through 2013; it also adds additional safeguards to the act which would provide for increased oversight of U.S. Intelligence gathering tools.
Feinstein introduced legislation to extend the three expiring provisions through 2013, but does not have any of the oversight language contained in Leahy's bill.
Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Republican Charles Grassley, R-IA, has introduced a bill along with Republican Senate Minority Leader McConnell, R-KY, that permanently extends the expiring provisions.
Senator Rand Paul, R-KY, expressed his opposition to the Patriot Act reauthorization in a letter sent to Senators and called upon his Senate colleagues to "seriously consider whether the time has come to re-evaluate many - if not all - provisions of the Patriot Act."
The current provisions in the Patriot Act expire on February 28. Congress is scheduled to leave town at the end of the week for Presidents' Day recess.
The House would have to approve any short term extension the Senate works out. On Monday night the House approved an extension of the expiring provisions through December 2011.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20032133-503544.html
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And weren't like 13 of the votes to repeal from tea-party members? I like that.
It'll be interesting to see how well that part gets reported though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRjV0mP5jtw
how did the right cover it? i cant be bothered to watch to find out, but im curious.
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They are spending more time on this than they spent on health care.
