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Stang5lgt said:
I don't think I would take Toyotas word on anything. The Prius was built to be Hybrid. The new Hybrids have been converted from gas to gas/elec. Those are cars I am waiting to see how long they last. They are heavier and take alot more juice to run. Most people who can afford a Prius or any Hybrid can afford to take care of the service costs. So chances are they will last a long time. Now if some poor a$$ like myself bought one I could not afford the service. So the battery would take dump sooner. Nickel is Nickel doesn't matter what you mix it with still toxic.[/quote]

That makes perfect sense.

I did see that the Scion was something like .48 cents a mile. That ugly square box just made the list.
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Just pawed thru my latest January edition and noticed an article on oil and filters. It shows a cutaway of a K&N oil filter and they are suposed to be one of the, if not the best oill filter. Well a ways back I met a factory K&N rep and he told me that the filter material was the excact same filter as Mobil One oil filters. He basically told me that unless you need the extra thick can for high oil pressure or the drilled nut on the end for safty wire then just use a Mobil One filter. They really are good and on a DD you will notice that the oil stays clear and clean a lot longer than with a regular filter.
 
Through a study by CNW Marketing called “Dust to Dust,” the total combined energy is taken from all the electrical, fuel, transportation, materials (metal, plastic, etc) and hundreds of other factors over the expected lifetime of a vehicle. The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles - the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.
The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.
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I might be way off base here, but does anyone else think that it is a bad assumption that a Hummer will last 300,000 miles, whereas a prius will only last 100,000 miles? Realisticly, how many GM cars do you think are on the road today with 300,000 miles? I'm guessing the figures would be a little more even handed if their initial assumptions were aligned closer to reality...at least that is what stood out to me when I read the article. It was shocking to hear about the massive amounts of toxic waste the hybrids gererate, though.
 
I was a little thrown off when Stang busted out all those articles backing up his claims. Interesting reading for sure. As to the Hummer lasting 300,000 miles...who knows. All I know is that I used to see those Toyota pickup commercials when I was younger and they all made 300,000 miles seem like it was just gettin' broken in. Now Stang is trying to say they're crap. I just understand why Toyota would advertise it if it wasn't true? I bet those new Tundra motors keep on tickin' after they take care of the cam issue. :D

Oh what a feeling!
 
Where was your f_250 made?????? An your pu tang???????? CANaDA.......Even my 1973 f 250 has alot of canada parts on it....If not canada then MEXico............ MY 2 cents
 
landmark said:
I might be way off base here, but does anyone else think that it is a bad assumption that a Hummer will last 300,000 miles, whereas a prius will only last 100,000 miles? Realisticly, how many GM cars do you think are on the road today with 300,000 miles? I'm guessing the figures would be a little more even handed if their initial assumptions were aligned closer to reality...at least that is what stood out to me when I read the article. It was shocking to hear about the massive amounts of toxic waste the hybrids gererate, though.
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What would make you think a Hummer would not last 300,000 miles? They have full frame and heavy duty suspension parts. More likely people couldn't afford to put gas in them to get them to 300,000 miles. Hummer is going to collector item like a CJ or Wrangler. Do you think people are going to collect Prius cars? Only reason I would collect them is to crush them so I don't have to look at those ugly door stops anymore. :rof:
 
scottmcneal said:
Where was your f_250 made?????? An your pu tang???????? CANaDA.......Even my 1973 f 250 has alot of canada parts on it....If not canada then MEXico............ MY 2 cents
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Truck was made in Kentucky. Car was made in Alabama. Any more questions? Canada is still part of America last time I checked. So is Mexico. Just look out your window prob a Mexican driving by now.
 
The simple fact is we don't make an economical to buy or own vehicle in the US. The big three has us brainwashed into thinking that if we don't have atleast 180-225 hp under the hood, and enough room in the truck to hide the entire contents of your average kitchen, including any missbegotten cakes ;) that we own a peice of poo.

I looked at the Yaris. Cheap, not bad fuel milage, and even the tires would be cheap to replace on a regular basis. Seems to me that at 35mpg, and a sticker of $10.5K that's something folks could get into if they wanted an affordable car.

Fords offering, the Focus, is kinda expensive at $14K, though it also gets 35mpg.

I looked into pickups a bit. I hate to admit it, but that Colorado that I drive for work, with a 5cylinder engine, gets OK milage for a pickup (25 hwy, 18 city), but at $16K it's not real cheap to buy, or a real winner in the fuel milage department. I used to own a B2000 back in 86, and it got 28-32 hwy. I would have thought they would have made improvements since then.

I know we have drifted a bit from the original post...
My only response to the original post is: The mag is FREE, deal with it, or stop reading it.

As far as the Toyota vs US manufactured vehicles...
Toyota employs folks in the US also. With 13 US manufacting plants, and 30K employed US citizens, I don't think that's a problem and I would bet those folks don't either.
http://www.toyota.com/about/our_business/operations/manufacturing/index.html

Ron
 
Stang5lgt said:
Canada is still part of America last time I checked.
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EH?

Mcneal has some valid points. All of the Fords I have owned have either had International parts, or in one case, the assembly line was in Canada (77' F250).
 
Zuki-Ron said:
The simple fact is we don't make an economical to buy or own vehicle in the US. The big three has us brainwashed into thinking that if we don't have atleast 180-225 hp under the hood, and enough room in the truck to hide the entire contents of your average kitchen, including any missbegotten cakes ;) that we own a peice of poo.

I looked at the Yaris. Cheap, not bad fuel milage, and even the tires would be cheap to replace on a regular basis. Seems to me that at 35mpg, and a sticker of $10.5K that's something folks could get into if they wanted an affordable car.

Fords offering, the Focus, is kinda expensive at $14K, though it also gets 35mpg.

I looked into pickups a bit. I hate to admit it, but that Colorado that I drive for work, with a 5cylinder engine, gets OK milage for a pickup (25 hwy, 18 city), but at $16K it's not real cheap to buy, or a real winner in the fuel milage department. I used to own a B2000 back in 86, and it got 28-32 hwy. I would have thought they would have made improvements since then.

I know we have drifted a bit from the original post...
My only response to the original post is: The mag is FREE, deal with it, or stop reading it.

As far as the Toyota vs US manufactured vehicles...
Toyota employs folks in the US also. With 13 US manufacting plants, and 30K employed US citizens, I don't think that's a problem and I would bet those folks don't either.
http://www.toyota.com/about/our_business/operations/manufacturing/index.html

Ron
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Ford let 30k jobs go last year. So you are not winning any ground with me. They had to let those jobs go because of lose of sales to foreign makers. It saves Toyota money to employ Americans since they sell so many Camrys here. Less shipping costs. Plus easy to market a car that is made here. Truth is money goes over seas. How many of those workers are UAW? None. Everytime you buy something made somewhere else you are selling our country to another country. Look at the deficit. That is from buying more then we sell. And when you want to bad mouth our own countrys car companys cause they buy parts from over seas. Don't blame them they don't have much of choice keep car prices down they have to have cheap parts. It some fat cat politic that gets his pockets lined by opening the borders up for more cheap goods. Used to be Wal-mart sold alot made USA stuff. Until Sam Walton died then that changed real quick.

If you don't like american and think they are junk and expensive then buy foriegn. Just don't complain when China takes over the country cause they already own it.
 
Stang5lgt said:
Ford let 30k jobs go last year. So you are not winning any ground with me. They had to let those jobs go because of lose of sales to foreign makers. It saves Toyota money to employ Americans since they sell so many Camrys here. Less shipping costs. Plus easy to market a car that is made here. Truth is money goes over seas. How many of those workers are UAW? None. Everytime you buy something made somewhere else you are selling our country to another country. Look at the deficit. That is from buying more then we sell. And when you want to bad mouth our own countrys car companys cause they buy parts from over seas. Don't blame them they don't have much of choice keep car prices down they have to have cheap parts. It some fat cat politic that gets his pockets lined by opening the borders up for more cheap goods. Used to be Wal-mart sold alot made USA stuff. Until Sam Walton died then that changed real quick.

If you don't like american and think they are junk and expensive then buy foriegn. Just don't complain when China takes over the country cause they already own it.
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I didn't say I wanted to "win ground" with you.
Just giving you facts about the cars and trucks I have looked at appears to you to be "badmouthing American Car companies".
I never said they were junk. I stated fuel milage figures.

No Toyota does not contract with the UAW, but that does not mean those people are not well paid, and have good benefits. And that's what matters. Employees, on US soil, getting paid to do work so they can raise families and grow their communities.

We now live in a world economy. US companies are all over the world exploiting other nations labor and resources. Do you see those folks complaining? No.
So other companies are coming to the US to build and grow <shrug>. As long as they employ Americans and pay a wage that is comparable to what folks are used to getting paid, and provide good bennys, who are you to complain?

You should tone it down a bit. Your overzelous attitude of "Buy American or you are a Traitor" will get you exactly nowhere. That BS of calling someone a Traitor if they do not agree with your point of view will die with the Bush administration.

The truth, which appears very hard for you to swallow, is that not even cars manufactured by Ford, GM or Chrysler are made of parts manufactured here in the US. Ford, GM and Chrysler own or have a large stake in a number of foriegn manufactures, like Mazda, Jag, Mitsubishi. And to boot, many cars sold by Ford, GM and Chrysler are not even assembled in the US.

You need a break. Go have a soda :D

Ron
 
Stang5lgt said:
Alls I have to say is Proud to be American like my Jeeps, F250, and Mustang.
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I know man...I was just bein' an a$$.
 
Zuki-Ron said:
I didn't say I wanted to "win ground" with you.
Just giving you facts about the cars and trucks I have looked at appears to you to be "badmouthing American Car companies".
I never said they were junk. I stated fuel milage figures.

No Toyota does not contract with the UAW, but that does not mean those people are not well paid, and have good benefits. And that's what matters. Employees, on US soil, getting paid to do work so they can raise families and grow their communities.

We now live in a world economy. US companies are all over the world exploiting other nations labor and resources. Do you see those folks complaining? No.
So other companies are coming to the US to build and grow <shrug>. As long as they employ Americans and pay a wage that is comparable to what folks are used to getting paid, and provide good bennys, who are you to complain?

You should tone it down a bit. Your overzelous attitude of "Buy American or you are a Traitor" will get you exactly nowhere. That BS of calling someone a Traitor if they do not agree with your point of view will die with the Bush administration.

The truth, which appears very hard for you to swallow, is that not even cars manufactured by Ford, GM or Chrysler are made of parts manufactured here in the US. Ford, GM and Chrysler own or have a large stake in a number of foriegn manufactures, like Mazda, Jag, Mitsubishi. And to boot, many cars sold by Ford, GM and Chrysler are not even assembled in the US.

You need a break. Go have a soda :D

Ron
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Not saying we should stop buying foreign goods. I know that is not going to happen. I know it is world econ now. We selling Heavy machine overseas like crazy. John Deere, Cat, and Case and been selling like gang busters overseas. I just think we need to slow down on the foreign buying if can help it. We are so far ahead of Japan , China , and any other country it is not even funny. That is why we design they build it. I just guess I have hard time forgeting what Japan did in WWII. I grew up not knowing anything about WWII even though my Grandpa fought in the War. But Japan decides to attack us since we were giving weapons and aid to China. So we have to go over kick Japans butt. So decided I didn't want support a country that would attack us with tech we sold them. Even it was over 60 years ago. I never called you a traitor. Bush admin started back during the first Bush. And continued through the Clinton years. It has been slow process of world econ to world gov is the next step. Look at what the UN is upto. Sea treaty. Would put the UN in control of all open waters. That would mean we would have to get permission to move our Navy around. I don't like the idea of a world econ. Do you think anyone would have bought Jap cars after WWII?? What changed that made us think it was ok?
 
One of my instructors has a hybrid (I think it's a Prius) and the battery failed on it while it was still under warranty. The battery was $3400 and has a 7 year warranty on it.

Oh, and I have a 1996 1 ton Ford Club Wagon with 210K miles on it and I have every intention of it going over 300k.

Later
 
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