Obama's Freudian slip?

Well, back to ther original question, I think if you look at the context of Obama's statement, he was apparently refering to his *proported* Musim faith, or at least he could very well have been. I only watched it once because I don't really care what his religion is. I'm more put off by that racist church he belonged to for 20 years. I'm even more concerned about potentially having a VP who thinks we went into Iraq on a mission from God. So things kinda balance out for me.

If you want something substantive to chew on, that would be Obama's reluctance at developing America's energy resources or, did I mention it, having a VP that invokes God in justifying questions of war and peace.
 
The bomb that Evans built was 2 pounds of nails with explosive powder and a propane tank. Estimated 100 foot blast/casualty radius.
Those are just a few examples, there are more.
I'm not justifying any of it, just answering Darky's questions. Muslims are the terrorist flavor du jour, but not alone in their tactics by any stretch of imagination.


And educate me on what worldwide terrorist organization Mr Evans was a member of?
 
#1 That's your opinion. I am very useful and I have great purpose and structure to my life, without the need to have a "god" to "serve".

#2 You seem to be a God fearing person. Those people make me laugh.
 
#1 That's your opinion. I am very useful and I have great purpose and structure to my life, without the need to have a "god" to "serve".

The structure your life is built around, like it or not, is based on morals. The morals that make up the society that we live in are based on Christian heritage, et. the teachings of Jesus, and the laws of the old testament. Simply living in our society you are protected by the societal acceptance of a god.
In a world without those morals… atheism would be chaos…

If 'God fearing' people make you laugh
Then maybe you don't understand what the term means...
 
Because without a god mankind is useless, without purpose or structure.


How exactly is mankind worthless? I try to live a good life, not always successful, but for the most part a good life.
Yes a lot of the basic rules that people live their life by came from teachings of the bible/koran/tora etc.. But remember those books in the begining were all written by man. Man is greedy and 90% of the time looks out for himself and his friends/family.
Look at L. Ron Hubard, he created some off the wall religion, he's got followers all over the place.

Religion helps you understand what you can't understand. Some people need that some people don't.

No one is going to win this arguement, you believe in God, I don't. I'm not going to change your opinion, and your not going to change my opinion. When we die, either you will be right or I will be right.
 
So if aliens exist, and they don't look like us, humans. Who then did God create in his image?
 
The structure your life is built around, like it or not, is based on morals. The morals that make up the society that we live in are based on Christian heritage, et. the teachings of Jesus, and the laws of the old testament. Simply living in our society you are protected by the societal acceptance of a god.
In a world without those morals… atheism would be chaos…

If 'God fearing' people make you laugh
Then maybe you don't understand what the term means...

I think its funny because people fear the wrath of God. Kinda like a kid fearing being spanked by his parents.

But if you're not doing anything wrong, and if you're being a good person, with no reason to be punished by an otherwise "fair" God, then what do you have to fear.

I don't need to believe in a Jewish Zombie to have good morals and to be a good person - to realize the difference between right and wrong.

So you're saying that prior to ~2000 years ago, the world was in chaos because Christianity had not been invented yet?

:roflmao:
 
Army of God. That Knight guy is in Australia, so I'd say they have a pretty wide reach.


With thousands of members, in nearly every country in the world?

I'm not trying to be a smartass, just never read much on it. Did a quick google search and holy crap, what a bunch of nutjobs. Doesn't appear to be a very large organization, just very fanatical and active.
 
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Yup. Seriously messed up. They've been classified as terrorists by the FBI.
I was never trying to equate them statistically with the Muslims. Just their justifications for the extreme tactics. And to show that "Christians" do blow stuff up as was asked.
Wiki quote
Army of God (AOG) is a right wing pro-life organization that sanctions the use of force to combat abortion in the United States. In 2001, at the height of the United States anthrax scare, more than 170 abortion clinics and doctors offices in 14 states received letters containing white powder and the message "You have been exposed to anthrax. We are going to kill all of you. Army of God, Virginia DARE Chapter."[1] HBO produced a documentary on the Army Of God entitled Soldiers In The Army Of God.[2] The anthrax incidents have resulted in their being mentioned among terrorist organizations at the FBI.[3]

AOG supports the Second Defensive Action Statement, as produced by the Defenders of the Defenders of Life, which reads:[4]
  • We the undersigned, declare the justice of taking all Godly action necessary, including the use of force, to defend innocent human life (born and unborn). We proclaim that whatever force is legitimate to defend the life of a born child is legitimate to defend the life of an unborn child.
  • We declare and affirm that if in fact Paul Hill did kill or wound abortionist John Britton, and accomplices James Barrett and Mrs. Barrett, his actions are morally justified if they were necessary for the purpose of defending innocent human life. Under these conditions, Paul Hill should be acquitted of all charges against him.
Hill was head of a precursor organization called Defensive Action, which issued signed statements to members of Congress in the early 1990s expressing similar sentiments about "killing the killers". In 2000, The Army of God has promoted an annual White Rose Banquet in Washington D.C. from 1991 through at least 2003, for supporters of the Defensive Action Statement.[
 
I think its funny because people fear the wrath of God. Kinda like a kid fearing being spanked by his parents.

But if you're not doing anything wrong, and if you're being a good person, with no reason to be punished by an otherwise "fair" God, then what do you have to fear.

I don't need to believe in a Jewish Zombie to have good morals and to be a good person - to realize the difference between right and wrong.

So you're saying that prior to ~2000 years ago, the world was in chaos because Christianity had not been invented yet?

:roflmao:

:clap:

Dogma said:
Nun: You don't believe in God because of Alice in Wonderland?

Loki: No, "Through the Looking Glass". That poem, "The Walrus and the Carpenter" that's an indictment of organized religion. The walrus, with his girth and his good nature, he obviously represents either Buddha, or... or with his tusk, the Hindu elephant god, Lord Ganesha. That takes care of your Eastern religions. Now the carpenter, which is an obvious reference to Jesus Christ, who was raised a carpenter's son, he represents the Western religions. Now in the poem, what do they do... what do they do? They... They dupe all these oysters into following them and then proceed to shuck and devour the helpless creatures en masse. I don't know what that says to you, but to me it says that following these faiths based on mythological figures ensure the destruction of one's inner-being. Organized religion destroys who we are by inhibiting our actions... by inhibiting our decisions, out of... out of fear of some... some intangible parent figure who... who shakes a finger at us from thousands of years ago and says... and says, "Do it - Do it and I'll fawkin' spank you. "
 
I think its funny because people fear the wrath of God. Kinda like a kid fearing being spanked by his parents.

But if you're not doing anything wrong, and if you're being a good person, with no reason to be punished by an otherwise "fair" God, then what do you have to fear.

I don't need to believe in a Jewish Zombie to have good morals and to be a good person - to realize the difference between right and wrong.

So you're saying that prior to ~2000 years ago, the world was in chaos because Christianity had not been invented yet?

:roflmao:
As much as I like discussing religious views and whatnot (I actually like to hear where others are coming from, rather than just assuming someone to be beneath me because of a difference in beliefs), I think I'll make a final statement and then leave it be in this one. Unless someone puts forth a truly interesting argument and/or truly has a question.

Christianity is not a religion where you go to church get called a sinner and then go home and sit in the corner scared that God's going to zap you because you're a sinner. If you only obey His word out of fear, that's not what God is looking for. In fact, generally the word for fear in the original texts when referring to "fearing God" isn't about fright, it's about reverence. Being a Christian means coming to acknowledge and accept that we can't live up to His standards and as such can't know Him. However, Jesus was sent to bridge the gap and pay our debt. Outside of Jesus there is no way for us to be pleasing to God.
As far as not doing anything wrong, have you ever looked at a hot chick and thought of the things you'd like to do to her? Ever looked at someone's XJ on here and said, Damn, wish that was mine? Ever cuss, take the Lord's name in vain, etc? Then you've sinned. Doesn't make you better or worse than anyone, we're all at the same level. Some, unfortunately make it easy for people to call Christians stuck up, but then non-believers can do the same. Look at Phil and Norcal's opinion of those who believe in God. Do I think it would be cool if we all believed in Him? Absolutely, but we don't. And that's fine by me. We all make up our minds based on our experience, and if you believe different from me, ok. For your sake, I hope I'm wrong. But you'll never convince me of that in this life, just like I'll not convince any of you. So, seriously, let's leave the name calling out of this. Or at least, have a good reason. For example, norcal420 strikes me as an idiot simply because his mind is so closed and small that he can't accept the idea of others believing differently than him and needs to resort to calling you an idiot. See how that works? :D

Oh yeah, and prior to Christianity was Judaism, which Christianity is essentially the fulfillment of their prophecy for a Messiah. That literally is the same God. Just the Jews don't believe Messiah has come whereas Christians believe Jesus to be the Messiah.
 
Very well said, Darky!

I would suggest one thing to anyone discussing specific doctrines: learn something about them first. I don't mind a friendly and spirited (pun) debate, but it's impossible if you don't have even a rudimentary understanding of the subject.
 
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