Obama's Freudian slip?

[norcal420]

Actually, I'd bet there are some out there. Muslims share the same views on abortion as we do and they seem to have a propensity for blowing themselves and/or others up to make a point.

don't lump me (or millions of others) in with your idiocy.

P.S. When was the last abortion clinic bombed by a "Christian"? None recently as far as I can recall.

oh, we're only referencing the years since 9/11? is that really how myopic you and phil are? bummer, guess i can't mention the examples of christianity murdering thousands of innocents.

don't stop believing... atriot:

 

[Darky]

don't lump me (or millions of others) in with your idiocy.



oh, we're only referencing the years since 9/11? is that really how myopic you and phil are? bummer, guess i can't mention the examples of christianity murdering thousands of innocents.

don't stop believing... atriot:

See, people like you are a part of the problem today. Someone has a differing viewpoint and you decide they're obviously idiots because they disagree. Grow up.

BTW, if you open your mind to the rest of the world, Muslim extremists are blowing themselves up, along with as many infidels as they can find, on a pretty regular basis. Now, again I ask, when's the last time you heard of someone claiming to be Christian blowing anything up?

 

[buschwhaked]

I know it's a little dated, but these guys weren't angels. Not really "blowing themselves up" unless you count artillery fire and alleyway mass executions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalangist

I do think the current problem for the US lies with Muslim extremists, but no religion has a clean history.

 

[kujito]

P.S. When was the last abortion clinic bombed by a "Christian"? None recently as far as I can recall.

All of these shitbags are self-proclaimed "Christians" :shhh:. Are these events recent enough?

Paul Ross Evans, 27 arrested on April 27, 2007 AD as a suspect after an explosive device was found at the Austin Women's Health Center abortion mill...

Peter James Knight: Peter entered the Fertility Control Clinic in East Melbourne on July 16, 2001 and killed the abortion clinic security guard Steven Rogers and shot him in the chest. When arrested Peter had a handwritten note that read, “We regret to advise that as a result of a fatal accident involving some members of staff, we have been forced to cancel all appointments today.” After his arrest, Knight wrote, “There will not be an abortionist in Melbourne left deathless.”

David Robert McMenemey: On September 11, 2006 AD, David doused his car with gasoline and drove it through the glass doors of Edgerton Women’s Health Center in Davenport, Iowa...

EDIT: Look into "Christian Identity". Here's a little bit,
"Perhaps the most chilling manifestation of Identity terrorism can be found in the concept of the Phineas Priesthood, set forth by Richard Kelly Hoskins in his 1990 book Vigilantes of Christendom. The Priesthood is based on the concept of the obscure Biblical character Phinehas, an Israelite who used a spear to slay a "race-mixing" fellow Israelite and the Midianite woman with whom he had sex. Hoskins conjured up the idea of an elite class of "Phineas Priests," self-anointed warriors who would use extreme measures to attack race-mixers, gays, or abortionists, among other targets."
Muslims are not the only ones capable of extreme violence in the name of their religion.

 

[Darky]

Like I said, Christians have a history as well. But recent damage, and most frequent attacks have been put forth by one particular religion. That's the only reason it makes any difference. Also, if there is no difference, why would he allegedly attempt to hide it.

 

[Darky]

I'm not trying to get into a pissing match. I could go online and find plenty of Muslims who've blown themselves up and taken out many more than 1 or 2 people with them. I don't condone bombings of anything by any religion, they're all terrorist actions. I could probably find examples of members of most religions out there killing someone for their beliefs.

 

[buschwhaked]

Like I said, Christians have a history as well. But recent damage, and most frequent attacks have been put forth by one particular religion. That's the only reason it makes any difference. Also, if there is no difference, why would he allegedly attempt to hide it.

It's more about the range of history we are talking about. In the last decade, Muslims, last hundred...thousand? I don't really know the ratios here but it doesn't matter. It's extremism that is the enemy, of any religion. Muslim extremism is the current flavor and we have to deal with it appropriately, blind of religion. Abortion clinic bombings are wrong, McVay was wrong, Osama Bin Laden is wrong, the Unabomber was wrong, and the list goes on. To me, it's middle of the road with this and all forms of extremism should be fought with the best of our available resources.

To blanket one group puts us all at danger and exposes the range of our vision. Profiling someone at the airport is counter productive. The enemy will adapt. Ever seen Chechan Muslims? Red hair, look like Joe Irishman. In Iraq we made the mistake of only focusing on males of a certain age range for suicide bombers. The enemy realized this and started using women and the mentally ill.

Anyway, thats just my take on the issue. It's never black and white.

 

[kujito]

Not trying to 'out piss' anyone, but you did ask the questions.

Now, again I ask, when's the last time you heard of someone claiming to be Christian blowing anything up?

See my last.

 

[kujito]

I couldn't really give a rat's ass if Obama's a Muslim or not, I don't believe that it should preclude him from becoming President(but it would). As it's almost impossible to find any objective reporting on anything on either of the candidates, I/We will have to make up our own minds after sifting through what is available. I also think that people may be reading a bit much into this interview stumble. Is it revealing/condemning? Maybe. Will it cost him votes? Yes. Should it? Maybe. Isn't that the point of this discussion?

 

[muduck18]

Read the Bible - Speak to a pastor or priest or the friggen pope.
Read the Kuran - Speak to a Muslim , Sahib,Muezzin,Caliph,Imam,Mullah,Mujtahid, ... leader...
Then come back here and have a sensible comparasin of these two reli.. ways of life...

just like with Bill Clinton, It was not so much the issue of the sex, it was the issue that the President can stand up in front of the nation and say "I didn't do it" then its prooven that he did it. and he has to say "oh yeah thats what you were asking about"
If he is truely lying about it we are in for some problems if he gets elected.
If obama is a Muslim hu rah for muslims... if he is a 'christian' then great. our nation was founded with the pretents that people are free to practice what ever religion.
But We as people should make sure that our leaders are honest and good representations of us and the U.S.

 

[JNickel101]

All of these shitbags are self-proclaimed "Christians" :shhh:. Are these events recent enough?

Paul Ross Evans, 27 arrested on April 27, 2007 AD as a suspect after an explosive device was found at the Austin Women's Health Center abortion mill...

Peter James Knight: Peter entered the Fertility Control Clinic in East Melbourne on July 16, 2001 and killed the abortion clinic security guard Steven Rogers and shot him in the chest. When arrested Peter had a handwritten note that read, “We regret to advise that as a result of a fatal accident involving some members of staff, we have been forced to cancel all appointments today.” After his arrest, Knight wrote, “There will not be an abortionist in Melbourne left deathless.”

David Robert McMenemey: On September 11, 2006 AD, David doused his car with gasoline and drove it through the glass doors of Edgerton Women’s Health Center in Davenport, Iowa...

EDIT: Look into "Christian Identity". Here's a little bit,
"Perhaps the most chilling manifestation of Identity terrorism can be found in the concept of the Phineas Priesthood, set forth by Richard Kelly Hoskins in his 1990 book Vigilantes of Christendom. The Priesthood is based on the concept of the obscure Biblical character Phinehas, an Israelite who used a spear to slay a "race-mixing" fellow Israelite and the Midianite woman with whom he had sex. Hoskins conjured up the idea of an elite class of "Phineas Priests," self-anointed warriors who would use extreme measures to attack race-mixers, gays, or abortionists, among other targets."
Muslims are not the only ones capable of extreme violence in the name of their religion.

So you named 3 fanatical so called "Christian" extremists, targeting one or two people...while there are thousands of Muslims practicing this extremism on a daily basis, targeting thousands or millions.

Yeah...that's the same.

 

[buschwhaked]

So you named 3 fanatical so called "Christian" extremists, targeting one or two people...while there are thousands of Muslims practicing this extremism on a daily basis, targeting thousands or millions.

Yeah...that's the same.

You really don't think extremism no matter the religion is not the same? That Christian extremism isn't capable of inflicting the same kind of horror that the current Muslim extremists are? That Muslim extremist are the most active currently but extremists of other religions aren't capable of wreaking their level of devastation either in the past or the future?

 

[Darky]

Read the Bible - Speak to a pastor or priest or the friggen pope.
Read the Kuran - Speak to a Muslim , Sahib,Muezzin,Caliph,Imam,Mullah,Mujtahid, ... leader...
Then come back here and have a sensible comparasin of these two reli.. ways of life...

just like with Bill Clinton, It was not so much the issue of the sex, it was the issue that the President can stand up in front of the nation and say "I didn't do it" then its prooven that he did it. and he has to say "oh yeah thats what you were asking about"
If he is truely lying about it we are in for some problems if he gets elected.
If obama is a Muslim hu rah for muslims... if he is a 'christian' then great. our nation was founded with the pretents that people are free to practice what ever religion.
But We as people should make sure that our leaders are honest and good representations of us and the U.S.

He makes a very good point. If Obama is found to be lying, it's not a very good start. However, that's a big if. Also, look at the differences between what happens in a Muslim run gov't vs a Buddhist (at least I think that's what Tibet is) or a secular (albeit Christian majority) gov't. Muslim gov't brings about Shari'a law where a young girl is stoned to death for talking to a boy, little kids get their arms broken for thievery, etc. Not saying this is indicative of all Muslims, but if you look at the percentages, Muslims seems to be the better bet for losing their minds...

 

[JNickel101]

Extremism is the same - but you cant compare abortion clinic bombings (BTW, when was the last time you heard about one of those? Someone named what, 3, in the last decade?) to what fanatical Muslims are doing on a daily basis.....I just think comparing them, almost "justifying" them by saying "well, Christians have done it too..." is dead wrong.

I do agree with your post above though - we can't "target" a specific look because they are adapting.

Jeez...I think that's two things we've agreed on in the past 2-3 days. Cats sleeping with dogs, up is down....

 

[norcal420]

See, people like you are a part of the problem today. Someone has a differing viewpoint and you decide they're obviously idiots because they disagree. Grow up.

They're not idiots because they disagree with me. They're idiots for believing in god.

BTW, if you open your mind to the rest of the world, Muslim extremists are blowing themselves up, along with as many infidels as they can find, on a pretty regular basis. Now, again I ask, when's the last time you heard of someone claiming to be Christian blowing anything up?

Your definition of extremism is their god's will.

Just as christians have murdered millions of innocents (crusades, northern ireland, abortion clinics, inquisition) - the muslims are trying to duplicate those efforts via a similar tired, obsolete, outdated mythology. It does none of us any good.

Don't stop, believing... hold on to that feeling. atriot:

 

[jforse]

In the same post, even. :laugh:atriot:

My point which obviously didn't come out right. Wat I was trying to say is that not all Muslims are terrorists, there are good Muslims, and I didn't agree with your statement.



BUT


The beauty of our country is you can have your opinion and I can have mine. We can debate them in this public forum peacefully and respectfully.

 

[ECKSJAY]

They're not idiots because they disagree with me. They're idiots for believing in god.

That's funny. We agree.

 

[muduck18]

They're not idiots because they disagree with me. They're idiots for believing in god.

You realize that you are essentially saying that the majority of people for the past 2000 years are idiots. And if by chance you are wrong in your supposition you have damned yourself to hell…

I dare ask... what do you believe in?
Aside from the pretentious concept that you are somehow able to determine your fate by choosing not to believe in something.

 

[fscrig75]

You realize that you are essentially saying that the majority of people for the past 2000 years are idiots. And if by chance you are wrong in your supposition you have damned yourself to hell…

I'm an atheist, but I don't believe that those of you who choose to believe in which ever God you worship are idiots. People believe what they want to make themselves comfortable with what they don't understand.
Where we came from, where you go when you die, aliens etc...

Were Christians crazy back in the day? Yes

Are Muslims crazy in todays world? Yes, if you don't think so just check out the news reports about the bombing in Yeman today.

IMO thats the biggest problem, Christians, for the most part, have given up that pyscho logic of bombings and what not, while the Muslims continue to blow things up. They seem incapable of accepting other people, even though their Gods are pretty much the same person.

Get over it move on.

As for Obama, he is Christian. Did he attend a Muslim school? Yes, but it was for like 3-4 years and he was 7 years old at the time. So as much as I would like to believe that he is some super sleeper agent for the Muslim extremists, the fact is he isn't.

 

[kujito]

So you named 3 fanatical so called "Christian" extremists, targeting one or two people...

The bomb that Evans built was 2 pounds of nails with explosive powder and a propane tank. Estimated 100 foot blast/casualty radius.
Those are just a few examples, there are more.
I'm not justifying any of it, just answering Darky's questions. Muslims are the terrorist flavor du jour, but not alone in their tactics by any stretch of imagination.