Obamacare

[Darky]

How about the idea other dems came up with the fine people who don't buy insurance? Sounds like fun...can't afford insurance still? Hope you can afford a fine of up to $3800 per family!

 

[xjtrailrider]

The machine owns 2 of our 3 car manufacturers, and now they want to take over healthcare! One word, Socialism Not to mention we are in debt over our heads to the point that our grand kids will still be paying it back which only took him a few weeks to spend, and who did he get the money backed from, China, go figure.

Don't fall for this BS folks, stop him now before its too late.

 

[Jes]

An absolutely appalling speach.

If anyone cares to read it, the text is here...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26953.html


I realy don't understand the insanity that out current regime is up to. It makes me depressed every time I watch the news.

 

[5-90]

An absolutely appalling speach.

If anyone cares to read it, the text is here...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26953.html


I realy don't understand the insanity that out current regime is up to. It makes me depressed every time I watch the news.

Just out of curiousity, which bit(s) bother you the most? Enquiring minds wanna know!

 

[Ironmen77]

This seems to be part of his plan:

 

[Darky]

Learn something new everyday!

 

[Jes]

Just out of curiousity, which bit(s) bother you the most? Enquiring minds wanna know!

I am not against health care reform but I am against the whole idea of forced(or else) health care. I don't want the goverment in yet another facet of my life, taxing me yet again and again.
Medicare and medicaid are government run and working so well, are they not(sarcasm)?

Finally, our health care system is placing an unsustainable burden on taxpayers. When health care costs grow at the rate they have, it puts greater pressure on programs like Medicare and Medicaid. If we do nothing to slow these skyrocketing costs, we will eventually be spending more on Medicare and Medicaid than every other government program combined.

So, health care for all won't be a tax burden on us? Who is gonna pay for it?

Some irrelevant babble that came up...

Instead of honest debate, we have seen scare tactics.

Scare tactics huh? I seem to remember several Obama administration commercials lately using those same tactics.


Now here's the scary part...

Now, even if we provide these affordable options, there may be those – particularly the young and healthy – who still want to take the risk and go without coverage. There may still be companies that refuse to do right by their workers. The problem is, such irresponsible behavior costs all the rest of us money. If there are affordable options and people still don’t sign up for health insurance, it means we pay for those people’s expensive emergency room visits. If some businesses don’t provide workers health care, it forces the rest of us to pick up the tab when their workers get sick, and gives those businesses an unfair advantage over their competitors. And unless everybody does their part, many of the insurance reforms we seek – especially requiring insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions – just can’t be achieved.That’s why under my plan, individuals will be required to carry basic health insurance – just as most states require you to carry auto insurance.

...more taxes.

While there remain some significant details to be ironed out...

NO SHIT?!?

In how we are going to pay for it...

Second, we’ve estimated that most of this plan can be paid for by finding savings within the existing health care system – a system that is currently full of waste and abuse.

Waste and abuse? Why does our government come to mind? :twak:
Tax payers to the rescue!



On a side note, I found his bringing up of Ted Kennedy in his speech rather distasteful. I was not a fan but Obama was using him as a tool to ram through is ideologies. Yuck.

 

[5-90]

This seems to be part of his plan:

*snerk* - I don't care who ya are, that's funny raht thar!

I've always wondered where that phrase came from, especially since I use it rather frequently...

Suppose this was in the same league as the coffee enema?

 

[XJEEPER]

Jes, I couldn't agree more......and not excusing the disrespectful outburst by Sen Joe Wilson, I had the same thoughts and made the same statement several times during the speech.......I've been in sales long enough to recognize when someone is lying to me.

Here's some Fact Checks to provide comfirmation.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_fact_check

Electing Obama was a galactic mistake. If he wants the government to be in business to compete with the private sector, then we need to do with him what is done when an employee of the company fails to perform and is insubordinate......they get a warning and if repeated, they are fired.......rather, impeached.

He was hired to serve We the People.....not the other way around.

 

[urban yan]

I am not against health care reform but I am against the whole idea of forced(or else) health care. I don't want the goverment in yet another facet of my life, taxing me yet again and again.

On a side note, I found his bringing up of Ted Kennedy in his speech rather distasteful. I was not a fan but Obama was using him as a tool to ram through is ideologies. Yuck.

Personally I thought it was a good speech. It's clear US healthcare needs reform, it's clear Obama has a LONG way to go, and it's clear he's genuinely trying (I didn't see any malice in that speech). I agree that nobody wants to get taxed, but if you hate/disagree-with Obama's plan so much how about you offer some legitimate alternatives.

BTW. I didn't find the Ted Kennedy reference distasteful. Ted Kennedy wanted to see some type of reform before he passed. Those comments were made in memory of the man. You see people, everywhere, do stuff like that all the time.

 

[5-90]

BTW. I didn't find the Ted Kennedy reference distasteful. Ted Kennedy wanted to see some type of reform before he passed. Those comments were made in memory of the man. You see people, everywhere, do stuff like that all the time.

He may have, but I'm awfully tired of death being politicised one way or the other, y'know?

Rev. Phelps and his ilk protesting at soldiers' funerals.
Obama &co. trying to make mileage off of Ted Kennedy passing (my only real question about it is "What took him so damned long?" The only Kennedy worth a damn, y'ask me, was JFK.)
Sarah Brady starting HCI/VPC after her husband got shot by Hinckley (sp?) trying to pop Reagan.

People die every day, but it seems that only a few get turned into "political statements." Frankly, I wish it would just plain stop.

 

[ECKSJAY]

Personally I thought it was a good speech. It's clear US healthcare needs reform, it's clear Obama has a LONG way to go, and it's clear he's genuinely trying (I didn't see any malice in that speech). I agree that nobody wants to get taxed, but if you hate/disagree-with Obama's plan so much how about you offer some legitimate alternatives.

They could start here.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution.html

 

[urban yan]

He may have, but I'm awfully tired of death being politicised one way or the other, y'know?

I do. I agree, but at the same time I don't see it ending anytime soon.

 

[urban yan]

They could start here.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution.html

I thought this quote was interesting
"Article I, Section 8, however, gives Congress the power to provide for the “general welfare,” repeating part of the well-known preamble (“We the People … “). Congress also has the power “to regulate Commerce” and health care and the insurance of health care are commercial activities. So health care might not be a right, but it is a benefit Congress can bestow upon the people as a part of its constitutional powers."

 

[JNickel101]

....even if the majority of people don't seem to want it?

If you really REALLY believe Congress, or any of DC, is genuinely and purely out for the good of the people, I have some more kool-aid for you to drink......

 

[Ironmen77]

I thought this quote was interesting
"Article I, Section 8, however, gives Congress the power to provide for the “general welfare,” repeating part of the well-known preamble (“We the People … “). Congress also has the power “to regulate Commerce” and health care and the insurance of health care are commercial activities. So health care might not be a right, but it is a benefit Congress can bestow upon the people as a part of its constitutional powers."

Not commerce between citizens and business. That would be state's rights.

Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

 

[msrorysddad]

It's very clear healthcare needs not much really. What needs to happen is the government needs to stop taxing the hell out of the working people to buy votes from those that do not work. I've got a "reform" fo ya. the government cuts taxes by ten percent, then those that work and cannot afford insurance could afford insurance. The main problem the united states has right now is the government is in my back pocket so far every time I open my wallet I get pissed. Tort reform hell yes, but wait, what political hack isn't in the line for trial lawyer money? The problem is. The government is making it easier to not work, take the "welfare" and vote to keep your nipple open. His speach sounded genuine, so does every other actor's speach, hell Forrest Gump made me sad, he as all other high ranking American political schlub are nothing more than a soundbite wrapped in a nice suit. Until the American people stand up and tell the elected elite to stop the cash cow bit, we're screwed. Chet Edwards hates being in parades in my home town because we boo his sorry ass. If you want the goverenment to control every step of your life it's all good. If not, ya better balk now. My spell check is broke, sorry. Hi Urban! It's all about rights and responsibilities. If you have the right to healthcare, who the hell has the responsibilty to pay for it? You do.

 

[AL BUNDY]

From his own speech:
"When health care costs grow at the rate they have, it puts greater pressure on programs like Medicare and Medicaid. If we do nothing to slow these skyrocketing costs, we will eventually be spending more on Medicare and Medicaid than every other government program combined"

So the government healthcare system that isn't working needs to be increased to a bigger system. That makes about as much sense as 'loaning' money to auto companies that are going bankrupt.

 

[RichP]

From his own speech:
"When health care costs grow at the rate they have, it puts greater pressure on programs like Medicare and Medicaid. If we do nothing to slow these skyrocketing costs, we will eventually be spending more on Medicare and Medicaid than every other government program combined"

So the government healthcare system that isn't working needs to be increased to a bigger system. That makes about as much sense as 'loaning' money to auto companies that are going bankrupt.

I have to keep from throwing up on that last part, these companies that are going bankrupt, notice that the executives and board members barely take a hit on their net worth, in fact they are the first in line when the pay queue starts with the bailout money. They make MILLIONS for mismanagement.

 

[ehall]

I thought this quote was interesting
"Article I, Section 8, however, gives Congress the power to provide for the “general welfare,”

promote the general welfare, not provide