Now they're suspending 2nd graders for drawing jebus?

[Boatwrench]

It is Good Friday, because without dying on the cross & resurrecting on Easter Sunday there would be no Christianity.

So all the anti-Christians should just blame the Romans.

It could have been a Monday, but if Easter wasn't celebrated on a Sunday, Catholics would have to go to Mass twice that week.

 

[johndoby]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.

The teacher should be fired for trying to usurp power that violates this child's rights, which is un-Constitutional.

I'm replying not in disagreement with your statement but interested in your point.

What is the law on a school's system of rules and what restrictions are on those rules? When I was in school, we couldn't wear baseball hats or tennis shoes. Do I have the constitutional right to wear a baseball hat? Is the school violating my constitutional right by not allowing me to do so? What separates these two ideals?

 

[cserou]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.

The teacher should be fired for trying to usurp power that violates this child's rights, which is un-Constitutional.

Isn't denying him the privilege of practicing his religion on the privacy of his own paper tantamount to forcing him to practice atheism? The government is supposed to be secular, not atheist.

Also, it's a little ridiculous to suspend him for a violent picture if he didn't actually do anything violent. A word to his parent would have been more appropriate. What about having a violent thought?

 

[Darky]

I'm replying not in disagreement with your statement but interested in your point.

What is the law on a school's system of rules and what restrictions are on those rules? When I was in school, we couldn't wear baseball hats or tennis shoes. Do I have the constitutional right to wear a baseball hat? Is the school violating my constitutional right by not allowing me to do so? What separates these two ideals?

You have no Constitutional right to wear a baseball cap and tennis shoes, so no, no rights are being violated. Schools are allowed to enforce a dress code.

 

[JNickel101]

Actually, according to tradition, He died three days before Easter on Good Friday. Easter is the day He rose. Besides, if Jesus on the cross is what reminds the kid of Christmas, who are we to argue?

And yes, Brady, I caught onto the violent picture theme, just was fooled by your post.

If you do some reading and fact-finding, you'll learn that he was actually BORN in/around the months we call September/October - his birthday was nowhere close to being in December. Believe it was the Catholic church who moved the date to overshadow the Winter Solstice.

 

[JNickel101]

You have no Constitutional right to wear a baseball cap and tennis shoes, so no, no rights are being violated. Schools are allowed to enforce a dress code.

Wearing a baseball cap could constitute freedom of speech....if you really really really really want to argue it.

 

[Darky]

If you do some reading and fact-finding, you'll learn that he was actually BORN in/around the months we call September/October - his birthday was nowhere close to being in December. Believe it was the Catholic church who moved the date to overshadow the Winter Solstice.

Right...and this matters to the topic at hand, why? You like bringing that up, but I won't argue that Dec 25th was or wasn't the actual birthday of Jesus.

And I think you'd have to really really argue for freedom of speech regarding wearing a hat.

 

[ECKSJAY]

Nobody has mentioned the Constitutionality of a requirement to educate children.

Fascinating.

 

[joe_peters]

If it was a picture of (pick your favorite liberal socialist democrat theme and insert here) then there wouldn't be a problem.

Remember, education is about freedom and the open exchange of ideas--as long as those ideas conform to the liberal socialist democrat agenda.

Vote MILITIA 2010!

 

[kastein]

Regardless of when Jesus was born... you know why programmers confuse the day with Halloween?

oct 31 = dec 25

 

[ZomBrady]

Regardless of when Jesus was born... you know why programmers confuse the day with Halloween?

oct 31 = dec 25

That is such a bad hexadecimal joke.

 

[kidarkitect]

poor kid. I'm not particularly religious and don't think religion belongs in schools. But this is Efffin ridiculous, the kid is EIGHT! Whoever suspended him needs THEIR head psychologically evaluated.

 

[johndoby]

You have no Constitutional right to wear a baseball cap and tennis shoes, so no, no rights are being violated. Schools are allowed to enforce a dress code.

Ok, well lets go with a Constitutional right that I know exists...lets say, the right to bear arms. I wasn't allowed a gun in school either. Were they stripping me of my constitutional rights?

By the way, I do not agree that the school was right in suspending the boy, or even agree with their "violent" description. I'm just sharing my thoughts.

 

[Darky]

Taking a gun to school is a vastly different concept than drawing a "violent" image or wearing a hat.

 

[Phil]

So would it have been ok if the kid had drawn jumping Jesus on a pogo stick?

 

[JNickel101]

What about Buddy Christ? Or if he drew someone else nailed to a cross...? Like, the teacher...?

 

[JNickel101]

She asked them to draw something that reminds them of Christmas. To a young Christian boy, of course thinking of Christ at Christmas is obvious. And most people who think of Christ think of Him crucified.

.....and you started it here! :shhh:

I was just pointing out the irony of thinking of Christ at Christmas, when he wasn't actually born then....

Really, I just like arguing with you...lol

 

[Boatwrench]

Religion has NO place in the class room.

What if it is a Catholic School?

 

[kastein]

What if it is a Catholic School?

I hear they take arithmetic skills seriously, last guy who forgot to carry a one ended up nailed to a plus sign on the wall behind the teacher

 

[Darky]

.....and you started it here! :shhh:

I was just pointing out the irony of thinking of Christ at Christmas, when he wasn't actually born then....

Really, I just like arguing with you...lol

I started nothing. NOTHING! No, I was just pointing out the failed logic of trying to say no one should think of Christ at the holiday named for Him and celebrating his birth. Even if we don't know exactly when He was actually born, the holiday is celebrated at this time of year by tradition. And yes, I'm well aware it as situated here to overlap the Solstice (Winter not Pontiac) so as to entice more pagans in.