Now Texas...
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Boatwrench
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I applaud Texas but am still skeptical.
Boatwrench
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and that leaves two southern border states... New Mexico better get on board because California won't.
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Boatwrench
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Joe_peters brings up a point about our initative process. I really didn't think last year's Prop 8 gay marriage thing had a snowballs chance, but there is voting power in the the conservative central valley and the right-wing northern foothills that when polarized against something has the voting majority over the liberal coastal communities.
The pro-AZ sentiment backlash against the SF county supervisors makes me believe an AZ type law may have a possibility to pass if a ground swelling grass roots movement can gather the signatures to make it to the ballot.
5-90
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While I'm not at all sure I fully agree with what is being done, I'm on board with the idea that something has to be done.
And, since the Feds (ICE in particular) aren't doing it, it becomes left to the States. Which necessitates a State law - it's difficult for local LE to enforce Federal laws - except for just a few - as I understand it.
Plus, the passage of a State-level law also helps to lodge their displeasure with the Feds.
I do like the idea of cutting off "Sanctuary Cities," although we're wandering toward a "National ID card" and possible biometric ID - which I know I don't like.
Gets dicey, don't it? I'm not sure what the better solution would be (annex Mexico?) but doing something is often better than doing nothing - besides, this problem is an error of omission (not caused by accretion - like the SSA mess, the whole medical coverage debacle, &c., &c.)
At least it's not stomping up 2,000-page bills that change fortnightly!
But what really cranks me off about the whole damned thing is that New Aztlan and the local chapters of the ACLU just yank out the race card straight away. Illegal immigration isn't about race - it's about not following the rules. Period. There are illegal brown people, illegal yellow people, illegal black people, illegal red people, and illegal white people here - the common thread is that they're all here illegally! If you follow the rules when you come here, I've no trouble with it at all. If you're going to sneak in somehow, I've got a big problem with that...
And, since the Feds (ICE in particular) aren't doing it, it becomes left to the States. Which necessitates a State law - it's difficult for local LE to enforce Federal laws - except for just a few - as I understand it.
Plus, the passage of a State-level law also helps to lodge their displeasure with the Feds.
I do like the idea of cutting off "Sanctuary Cities," although we're wandering toward a "National ID card" and possible biometric ID - which I know I don't like.
Gets dicey, don't it? I'm not sure what the better solution would be (annex Mexico?) but doing something is often better than doing nothing - besides, this problem is an error of omission (not caused by accretion - like the SSA mess, the whole medical coverage debacle, &c., &c.)
At least it's not stomping up 2,000-page bills that change fortnightly!
But what really cranks me off about the whole damned thing is that New Aztlan and the local chapters of the ACLU just yank out the race card straight away. Illegal immigration isn't about race - it's about not following the rules. Period. There are illegal brown people, illegal yellow people, illegal black people, illegal red people, and illegal white people here - the common thread is that they're all here illegally! If you follow the rules when you come here, I've no trouble with it at all. If you're going to sneak in somehow, I've got a big problem with that...
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What we need to do is make the border with Mexico smaller and more easily controlled. If we "Push Back" (a Progressive Socialist catch-phrase the WH loves) against the border, say drive everyone in Mexico across a line drawn between Vera Cruz and Acapulco De Juarez, then we would have a much easier border to patrol.
Now that is an idea a NAZI could really get into. Lebensraum, or "Living Space" was a NAZI goal, they wanted to push the Untermensch (sub-man or sub human) back, so if we are good little NAZIs should we adopt their policies?
I'm really getting tired of being called a racist, NAZI, et al, and I believe it is way PAST time to open a very large can of whoop-a** on the Progressive Socialists.
PS--No, I don't think we should invade and seize most of Mexico, but Canada, now there is some nice looking territory!
Now that is an idea a NAZI could really get into. Lebensraum, or "Living Space" was a NAZI goal, they wanted to push the Untermensch (sub-man or sub human) back, so if we are good little NAZIs should we adopt their policies?
I'm really getting tired of being called a racist, NAZI, et al, and I believe it is way PAST time to open a very large can of whoop-a** on the Progressive Socialists.
PS--No, I don't think we should invade and seize most of Mexico, but Canada, now there is some nice looking territory!
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5-90
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But, if we annex Mexico, we will have a much smaller southern border to secure! (Although we'll have more shoreline to secure as well. Trade-off...) Anyhow, that should handle illegal immigration from Mexico (since they'll be American now,) and let us get a much more positive grip on illegal immigration from Central America (shorter border.)
Yeah, we've still got the problems of insecure shoreline on the East and West coasts as it is - but if we can reduce the need for resources on the Southern border, we'll have more available for North, East, and West (North? Yeah - we get a lot of European illegals through the Canadian border. Isn't the US/Canada border the longest unpatrolled national borderline in the world?)
Lebensraum isn't necessarily the goal here, and I don't consider any particular ethnicity to be untermench. I'm not looking for a "Final Solution" here - all I really want is for people to get along. That does include following the rules of society - we've passed laws (domestically and internationally) in an effort to get along, primarily because we're not grown-up enough (as a race) yet to get along without them
Granted, there is the attendant problem of "Power attracts the Corrupt" ("Power Corrupts" is less right than originally thought, methinks,) and the flipside of that becomes quis custodiet ipsos custodes? If we can't trust those in authority to weild that authority responsibly (and, given the last 30-40 years, I am singularly unimpressed by what I've seen...) how shall we put a check on them?
It is effectively a given that the body politic (in general) is entirely too apathetic anymore to take an active interest in how things are run and why things are done. Those of us who do pay attention are the exception, rather than the rule.
But, I'm wandering afield. If you've got a potential solution to the issue that might work better than what is being done now, I'd love to hear it! Let's throw out some ideas, discuss them, refine them, and maybe send them to Washington (since they haven't had an original, useful idea in the last thirty years, easily.)
