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Credit card fees: Some gas stations say 'no more' By TOM BREEN, Associated Press Writer
Wed Jun 18, 1:28 PM ET



When gas station manager Roger Randolph realized it was costing him money each time someone filled up with $4-a-gallon gas, he hung a sign on his pumps: "No more credit cards."

He may be the first in West Virginia to ban plastic, but gas station operators nationwide are reporting similar woes as higher prices translate into higher credit card fees the managers must pay, squeezing profits at the pump.

"The more they buy, the more we lose," said Randolph, who manages Mr. Ed's Chevron in St. Albans. "Gas prices go up, and our profits go down."

His complaints target the so-called interchange fee — a percentage of the sale price paid to credit card companies on every transaction. The percentage is fixed — usually at just under 2 percent — but the dollar amount of the fee rises with the price of the goods or services.

As gas tops $4 a gallon, that pushes fees toward 10 cents a gallon. Now stations, which typically mark up gasoline by 11 to 12 cents a gallon, are seeing profits shrink or even reverse.

In a good month, Randolph's small operation would yield a $60 profit on gasoline sales. But that's been buried as soaring prices forced the station to pay about $500 a month in interchange fees.

"At these prices, people aren't making any money," said Jeff Lenard, spokesman for the Alexandria, Va.-based National Association of Convenience Stores. "It's brutal."

Lenard's group reports convenience stores paid roughly $7.6 billion in credit card fees last year, while making $3.4 billion in profits.

The way interchange fees are structured has long annoyed retailers, prompting calls for relief.

Legislation pending in the U.S. House and Senate would allow merchants to bargain collectively with major credit and debit card companies.

The National Retail Federation says gas prices point to the unfairness of the system: Gas stations are paying more in interchange fees because the price of gas has gone up, while the cost of processing credit or debit cards remains the same.

"We have always contended that it doesn't cost Visa and MasterCard any more to process a $1,000 transaction than it does a $100 transaction," said J. Craig Shearman, vice president of government affairs at the retail federation.

The credit card companies say fees are just part of the cost of doing business.

MasterCard has capped interchange fees for gas purchases of $50 or more, said company spokeswoman Sharon Gamsin.

Accepting MasterCard also gives gas stations "increased sales, greater security and convenience, lower labor costs, and speed for their customers at the pump," Gamsin said in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

Visa argues that the fees are offset "by the tangible benefits to stations and their customers, such as the ability to pay at the pump," the company said in a statement to the AP.

Absent congressional action, gas stations are seeking other relief, including discounts to customers who pay in cash.

Shipley Energy, which owns 23 Tom's Convenience stores in Pennsylvania, has partnered with a new credit card company, Revolution, which charges smaller interchange fees.

Bob Astor, wholesale fuels business manager for Shipley, said those savings get passed on to customers as cheaper prices at the pump. Customers who pay with the card get an automatic 10 cent discount.

Gas stations in South Carolina, Georgia, Maryland, New Jersey and Arizona are among those offering cash customers a discount, with savings from four cents to 10 cents per gallon.

The Connecticut General Assembly recently passed legislation to make it easier for stations to offer discounts for cash purchases, bidding to cut consumer prices by 10 to 12 cents on average.

Discounts for cash customers may not, however, be the stations' salvation.

The National Association of Convenience Stores reports about two thirds of transactions at gas stations were with credit or debit cards in 2007, a figure expected to rise this year.

"The problem with cash discounts is, if people don't have the cash or don't want to spend the cash, you've inconvenienced them," Lenard said.

The experiment at Mr. Ed's Chevron, though, has paid off so far.

The station has been in business for 44 years and the ban on plastic hasn't scared many people off, Randolph said.

"We've got generations of customers who come here," he said. "Most of them have accepted it."



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very interesting indeed...
 
Yah, the cash/credit pricing is back at some stations.

Pilot is charging differential fees to diesel consumers.

I rolled into a Sinclar station in western Nebraska this last week. $3.89 is what the overhead sign said, but the pumps had two prices on them, one for credit, and one for cash. By pushing the "credit outside" button, it selected the higher of the two at $3.95.

Sort of reminded me of the early 80's except these were modern credit card pumps.
 
"Gas stations in South Carolina, Georgia, Maryland, New Jersey and Arizona are among those offering cash customers a discount, with savings from four cents to 10 cents per gallon.

The Connecticut General Assembly recently passed legislation to make it easier for stations to offer discounts for cash purchases, bidding to cut consumer prices by 10 to 12 cents on average.

Discounts for cash customers may not, however, be the stations' salvation"





.... And guess which gas stations/convenience stores the crooks are gonna target for robberies.... Fawkin' credit card companies are creating victims because these stations will have fat cash drawers and managers leaving the store to take fat deposit bags to the bank....... :rolleyes:
 
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This sucks. I havent used cash to pay for gas in about ten years. Its Discover Card all the way for me. I get about $400 cashback bonus every year by using my Discover whenever I can.
 
geez why don't they do what I did and just go with a flat rate plan it is a lot simpler and you know exactly what each transaction will cost you so I can tack that little bit on the right transactions. Then again I'm just a poor redneck jeeper so what do I know
 
JoesXJ said:
COSTCO - Cheapest is gas around here, they only take credit cards (or pre-payed cash card)

I usually buy at Sams Club (same deal as CostCo) they are generally $.02-.03 cheaper than others but they only take credit.
 
I should edit my post....

JoesXJ said:
COSTCO - Cheapest is gas around here, they only take ATM Cards or credit cards (AMERICAN EXPRESS ONLY) or a pre-payed Costco cash card) and are MEMBERS ONLY
 
ditto on Sams. I guess they do take ATM cards and such. I'll just miss my discover cashback bonus every year though.





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Ray H said:
This sucks. I havent used cash to pay for gas in about ten years. Its Discover Card all the way for me. I get about $400 cashback bonus every year by using my Discover whenever I can.

Where you figure that $400 is coming from, the money fairy :D Thats coming out of the retailers pockets. I don't take credit cards, never have, never will. Those vampires are NOT getting a piece of my sweat and labor, fawk em... Those suits that draw multimillion dollar salaries and do nothing more than to figure out ways to steal money from working stiffs. All they are is incorporated loan sharks..
 
RichP said:
Those suits that draw multimillion dollar salaries and do nothing more than to figure out ways to steal money from working stiffs. All they are is incorporated loan sharks..

Very true, the pet shop where I get bugs for my geckos no longer takes cards for purchases less than $25. It was costing them like $4 for $2 purchases, etc. Talk about getting screwed.
 
RichP said:
Where you figure that $400 is coming from, the money fairy :D Thats coming out of the retailers pockets. I don't take credit cards, never have, never will. Those vampires are NOT getting a piece of my sweat and labor, fawk em... Those suits that draw multimillion dollar salaries and do nothing more than to figure out ways to steal money from working stiffs. All they are is incorporated loan sharks..
I know there's no "money fairy". I really dont care where it comes from as long as it ends up in MY pocket. Its no different than shopping around for the best price or buying stuff on sale. Its just being a smart shopper thats all. For waht its worth, I understand the burden credit card companies put on retailers, but its the retailers choice whether or not to accept them, no one is holding a gun to their heads and they wouldnt do it unless it made them more money than it cost in the long run, because people not only shop for price but they also shop for convenience. Its no different than a retail store paying top dollar for a good location. Sure they could rent a lot in some alley for dirt cheap, but they dont, they pay the big bucks because they know that customer convenience is worth it.
 
Credit card transactions cost everybody.

The Retailer is charged by the company which handles the transaction for them.

The Consumer is charged interest on their outstanding balance, usually above 18%.

They only reason for using one is convenience.
* I would rather carry around a small peice of plastic than hundreds of dollars on a trip.
* On-line transactions are damn near impossible without one.
* I can purchase fuel at any time, the station doesn't even have to be open.

For me, the convenience outwieghs the cost, and I don't mind that the cash and the credit price are different, though it would be easier I believe to set the price in the middle and let it roll.
 
Zuki-Ron said:
For me, the convenience outwieghs the cost, and I don't mind that the cash and the credit price are different, though it would be easier I believe to set the price in the middle and let it roll.

If the stations around here start charging more for credit transactions, then I'll probably start using cash around home. On trips, It'll still be credit so I dont have to carry $1000 with me.
 
I usually use the Fred Meyer or Safeway Fuel stations around here.

I fill up only when I go grocery shopping, so the ability to write a check at the station negates the CC fees......
 
Very rarely do I have cash on hand. I may have $10 at the most. I use my debit card for nearly everything.


Ron, if you're paying 18% or more, you either have bad credit or took the first offer you got in the mail.
 
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HaleYes said:
Very rarely do I have cash on hand. I may have $10 at the most. I use my debit card for nearly everything.


Ron, if you're paying 18% or more, you either have bad credit or took the first offer you got in the mail.
Was gonna say the same, you're getting screwed. Even starting with almost no credit I got 7.6%.
 
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