My 1996 won't stop running HOT!!!

The auxilliary fan is fine..... I am actually a pretty good mechanic. I have just tried everything I can think of, and thought I would hit up this forum to see if anyone could come up with something i am missing.
 
Like I said, the a/c was enough to push my "everything else new but the rad" cooling system over the edge and changing the rad fixed it all. I'd be reluctant to think a rad that new would be the problem as well, but there have been a number of people on this forum with cooling issues that had replaced absolutely everything, and found out their "new" radiator was either faulty or prematurely plugged.

Do you maybe have a dragging brake? Condenser fins bent? Get a good fin comb and take a little time to straighten out the fins. Buy a big can of degreaser (I've also used brake cleaner) and just blast out the fins of the rad and condenser, then hose them out to clear out any dirt, bugs, debris just in case you have an airflow restriction. You'd be surprised the difference that could make, as bent and/or clogged fins are NOT going to let much air through.
 
x2elite said:
I have just tried everything I can think of, and thought I would hit up this forum to see if anyone could come up with something i am missing.
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4500 RPM's for an hour isn't asking al ot out of your 4.0?:D
 
Oops wrong thread! Thought it was the one about dune climbing and I was messing around. Sorry!:D
 
pauldo39 said:
I used to run lower temp tstats and now I have absolutely no idea why. The engine is not designed to run at 180 degrees. I used to think it would help an overheating problem, but I should have just listened to all the guys on this forum who really, and I mean REALLY know their XJs. I went through a Mr. Gasket and 3 different stant tstats before switching to a dealership 195, and now everything is perfect.

I have been running a 165 F, non-dealer, non-oem, el-cheapo brand thermostat in my 87 (Renix) 4.0 for 2.5 years with no problems. Never gets over 200 F, even with AC on, on highway, at 96 F ambient.

I do have a good all brass, 2.5 year old radiator barn radiator.

I think the problem some people have had with different thermostats is not the temperature they open at, but the flow rate they allow to flow when they do open.

Don't know for sure about the 91-95 and 96-02, (OBD-I, OBD-II) 4.0's, but the Renix runs just fine at 165 F. 5-90 runs his Renix with a 180 F thermostat too.
No worries mate!:sunshine:
 
OK,Try this.........With your Jeep all warmed up (With the AC off) ,pull into your driveway,leave the engine running and pop your hood.
Notice if your electric fan is running(motor warm enough to kick it on)?
...If your fan is running......turn control knob to AC..............Does your electric fan cut out ?...Change your high pressure cut-out switch.

Two things control wether your electric fan turns on:
1) coolant temp
2) AC head pressure/temp

If your motor requires extra cooling with your electric fan,seperate switch turns it on, BUT if your AC High pressure cut-out switch is bad,That shuts your fan off.
ONLY A THEORY AT THIS POINT!
Mike "00 XJ

 
o4petesake said:
OK,Try this.........With your Jeep all warmed up (With the AC off) ,pull into your driveway,leave the engine running and pop your hood.
Notice if your electric fan is running(motor warm enough to kick it on)?
...If your fan is running......turn control knob to AC..............Does your electric fan cut out ?...Change your high pressure cut-out switch.

Two things control wether your electric fan turns on:
1) coolant temp
2) AC head pressure/temp

If your motor requires extra cooling with your electric fan,seperate switch turns it on, BUT if your AC High pressure cut-out switch is bad,That shuts your fan off.
ONLY A THEORY AT THIS POINT!
Mike "00 XJ


That is not the case on a 1996, but nice try.
 
No the electric fan works..... with or without the A/C on it functions correctly. The worst part about it is that it has been consistently in the 90's here, and my A/C blows nice and cold.... yet I can't use it because it will make my jeep overheat. Sucks to be me. I bought the XJ on a whim, and I fell in love with it. I mean I sold a 2002 Z71 with 38's, and bought this 96 XJ just to get rid of a truck payment. However, I was as happy as could be. My XJ is fun to drive, cheap to mod (at least to me I was used to Z71 parts), gets relatively decent mileage, and got rid of one of our car payments to boot. But with all of this going on, I am just sick of working on it.
 
I would try a new radiator cap and new fan clutch first.

Also park it and try to over heat it with AC on. Then turn it off and crawl all over it looking for the tiniest pressure leak during the first 5 to 10 minutes after you turned it off when it was good and hot.

Look at the hose ends for leak at the ends or a leak in the hose threads. Just because their is no drip does not nmean there is not a tiny leak that keeps it from holding pressure. Check the water pump seal for any coolant. Radiator is harder to get too look for leaks.

I usually add some of the brown dry pellets used to seal small radiator leaks to see if that helps next (barring having already fixed it).

If all that fails I usually replace the radiator next.

Jeep radiators, unlike many other designs do not lend themselves to visual internal inspection for clogged tubes, but when I tested mine before I replaced it, it had hot an cold spots all over the surface of it, indicating many tubes had a blocked off flow.
 
It already has the new Radiator Cap, and Fan Clutch, and running the A/C with it parked it doesn't run hot. I have to be driving it for it to ever get hot.
 
I wont even get into the whole "Jeep engine designed to run at 210" arguement. I have run a 180 in my '00 for over a year, runs perfect, temp stays between the hash mark just to the left of the 210 and 210 itself....
 
My next step is to replace the thermostat again with one from the Dealership this time..... and if that doesn't work I will probably just try to sell it. I hate to, but I already put a radiator in it once and I just don't think dumping $200 for another one just in hopes that it will help is worth it.
 
Yeah, controlling factors for the electric fan on a 96 would be air conditioning or coolant temp.

If one of the two sensors tells the fan to stay on and the other sensor tells it to turn off, the sensor telling it to stay on will override.
 
"It already has the new Radiator Cap, and Fan Clutch, and running the A/C with it parked it doesn't run hot. I have to be driving it for it to ever get hot."

OK, Now we are getting somewhere! If it can idle with the AC on in 90+ ambient for 30 minutes without getting hot, the water pump, thermostat, fan clutch, and electric fan are not the problem!

"My next step is to replace the thermostat again with one from the Dealership this time..... and if that doesn't work I will probably just try to sell it."

Normally I would say don't waste the time and money on the dealer thermostat at this point, but if the the thermostat you have does not allow enough volume flow of water it could be the problem. Some people here hadnon OEM thermostats that allowed to little flow, so it overheated, or allowed too much flow, so it would get hot enough in the winter, or cycled the thermostat cause wide temperature swings so that might be worth a try.

Other ideas are:

Torque converter slipping, not locking up at highway speeds, would add heat load to the radiator.

Not a plugged exhaust system, but a partly restricted one that becomes noticable, and has excess cat converter heat backing up back into the engine only at higher rpms and loads, like highway driving. Just have someone give it the gas to say 3000 rpm while you check the tail pipe for good flow at high engine rpms to see if this might be part of the problem.

This one may be debatable, but the computer uses the data from the O2 sensor to control engine timing and the fuel to air ratio. If it is making the engine run too lean at highway speeds it would cause overheating. There has been some discussion here about fooling the computer by biasing the O2 sensor. Since yours is a 96, with OBD-II, and has two O2 sensors (correct?) then a biased O2 sensor would set off a trouble code and check engine light, right? Have you check for trouble codes, on the chance the engine trouble light is burned out? Autozone does OBD-II scans on 96 and newer vehicles for free!

Here is an idea, if the TCU side of the TPS is bad, it could be making the engine shift late and be causing the engine to run in a lower gear than normal making the engine and transmission run at higher rpms and thus run hotter. Check and post the engine shifting rpms, and coasting rpm at various speeds, especially the highway rpm /speeds where it overheats.

Do you know how to tell if the TC is locking up? It is suptle, can seem like or feel like a fourth or fifth gear shift. It usually locks up at a steady coasting speed of 40 to 45 mph either in third or fourth gear, but that all depends on a properly working TPS, TCU and good signal wires.

Mine was shifting way too early and so I had no power (doing the opposite of what I just described as a possibility for yours. TPS can bad in many different ways causing a variety of weird problems). Also mine would not downshift at all. Turned out to be a $35 TPS fix.

It is possible to wire up an LED to the TCU to tell you when the TC has locked up!

I just reread your first posts, so a few more final thoughts. Did you replace the bypass hose, are you sure there is not a tiny leak at the heater core hoses on the firewall, etc....

On the AC, the AC compressor should be cycling some if it is on Max AC with the cool lever slid all the way to the left, and should not cycle in this weather (heat) if it is on normal or third AC option (I forget its label name). If it is not cycling while on Max AC, then it might be overcharged with too much refrigerant or the damper door that selects inside air recirculation (with no outside make up air allowed in) then it may not be working. The damper door is vacuum actuated.

An over filled AC system (as I recall) can cause overheating, but I would expect such an overfilled AC system to cause more rapid overheating, idling in the driveway for 30 minutes, not on the highway, unless it takes the added load of highway speed (tranny and engine working harder, producing more heat) combined with an overcharged AC to finally reach the tipping point for the cooling system.

I would check the AC system high and low pressures to see if it is overcharged.

All that said, I am wondering if you bought a minimal capacity radiator that is OK until you hit it with everything load wise.

The guys at Radiatorbarn.com sell a high quality, 100% brass, brand new three row radiator for some rediculously low price like $120 delivered. I have one I bought 2 years ago, never had a problem since.
 
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Ecomike said:
"It already has the new Radiator Cap, and Fan Clutch, and running the A/C with it parked it doesn't run hot. I have to be driving it for it to ever get hot.">..............

Thank you for this post. It has given me a couple new things to look for. I am really going to start on this most likely tomorrow morning. I am going to still go with a dealer thermostat, but I will also check the A/C pressure, as well as many of the other things listed. I don't think it is the TC, however, and even if it was my tranny oil goes through a separate cooler.
 
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x2elite said:
Thank you for this post. It has given me a couple new things to look for. I am really going to start on this most likely tomorrow morning. I am going to still go with a dealer thermostat, but I will also check the A/C pressure, as well as many of the other things listed. I don't think it is the TC, however, and even if it was my tranny oil goes through a separate cooler.

Seperate cooler or not, it still dumps what ever heat it is making in the tranny, into the air in front of the AC condensor and radiator reducing their cooling capacity.
 
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