Muslim Mosque at Ground Zero, NYC......what's the real deal?

I think this is a good time to reiterate what Darky said early in this discussion...
Telling them to build the mosque somewhere else is NOT, in any way, infringing on their right to practice their religion. It's just telling them to build it somewhere else, which happens all the time.

Liberal sugarcoating bullshit aside, the fact is that the people that attacked the WTC, using planes full of innocent Americans to mass-murder skyscrapers full of other innocent Americans, were Muslim. Period. No, not all Muslims are terrorists, but those responsible for 9/11 were Muslim. Building a mosque, a place for Muslims to gather and worship at Ground Zero is offensive... to the 2,998 innocents killed that day, to their families, to the soldiers fighting in the wars caused by it, and to the few American citizens left that don't have their heads up their asses. There is NO REASON that they ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO build that mosque on GZ... nothing is holding them to that site, it should be no different than building the mosque 10 blocks away.
So you have to ask... why are they so intent on building it right the fawk there? Why is it such a big deal for them to move a few blocks down?
 
mcantar18c said:
Building a mosque, a place for Muslims to gather and worship at Ground Zero is offensive... to the 2,998 innocents killed that day, to their families, to the soldiers fighting in the wars caused by it, and to the few American citizens left that don't have their heads up their asses. There is NO REASON that they ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO build that mosque on GZ... nothing is holding them to that site, it should be no different than building the mosque 10 blocks away.
So you have to ask... why are they so intent on building it right the fawk there? Why is it such a big deal for them to move a few blocks down?
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Once you catch your breath, have a click on my link here so you can see where the site is. I invite you to show us how this is magically 'on GZ' when it's 2 blocks away.

http://www.bing.com/maps/default.as...lvl=17&sty=h&sp=Point.qsk17g8tz7h0_Park51____
 
ECKSJAY said:
Once you catch your breath, have a click on my link here so you can see where the site is. I invite you to show us how this is magically 'on GZ' when it's 2 blocks away.

http://www.bing.com/maps/default.as...lvl=17&sty=h&sp=Point.qsk17g8tz7h0_Park51____
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Read:

Darky said:
The building that formerly occupied that space was condemned on account of one of the planes' wheels hit it after the impact with the WTC. So, it's being built, maybe not right at Ground Zero, but in a space that was made possible by the attacks.
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Really Ecksjay? :rolleyes:
Regardless of what word I used, the situation remains the same.
 
just kill it mason,
they are just gonna nit pick every little thing you say cuz there is no good reason TO build the damn thing there, and damn near 3,000 reasons not to. Little stupid bullshit nit picking is the only way to get you to give in out of frustration......
 
While we in the U.S. have the right to practice our choice of religions, or not to practice a religion, we don't have the right to "practice" our religion in any place we choose. Note the recent arrests for praying outside abortion clinics in Chicago, the students not allowed to pray at the Lincoln Memorial, try walking into a court room and start praying out loud, or in a classroom, how about in a movie theater. There are no absolute freedoms.

No, the U.S. never built a "shrine" in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Maybe we should have, a "shrine" to all those men, women, and children non-combatants murdered by Japan in China--look up "rape of Nanking" for starters. And Chinese weren't the only people to receive the blessings of Japanese "civilization".

No, it is time to stop pussy-footing around and HURT some peoples feelings.

If it was up to me there wouldn't be a mosque standing within ten miles of GZ.
 
ECKSJAY said:
Once you catch your breath, have a click on my link here so you can see where the site is. I invite you to show us how this is magically 'on GZ' when it's 2 blocks away.

http://www.bing.com/maps/default.as...lvl=17&sty=h&sp=Point.qsk17g8tz7h0_Park51____
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Two blocks is still close for the landing gear of a 747 to fly after the plane crashes into a building. And we're forgetting, this was the first successful attack, but not the first attack. There was the failed attempt at bringing down the WTC in the 90's as well. Not to mention the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen a year prior to 9/11, attacks on the US Embassies in Africa, Beirut 1983, etc etc. This isn't a case of a few nutjobs who got together and single-handedly pulled off the deadliest attack in the US, this is a history of Muslim terrorists targeting and killing Americans and American interests.
 
I rather enjoy this image. It makes me laugh

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in4aride said:
let em build it...well....try...gurauntee that thing will be burnt to the ground repeatedly, and highly doubt any LOE's in NYC will be able to find any evidence to find the culprit behind it....

cuz i know if i was a LOE in america, and someone burnt the @#!*% thing down over and over, there would be lot of overlooked and lost evidence on my part....
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This could be the most ignorant thing I've read thus far......and that's saying alot. This isn't how we roll in the USA.......:twak:
 
I thought the author of the following article has an interesting perspective:

The proposed mosque near to ground zero is not really a religious institution. It would be -- as many mosques throughout the nation are -- a terrorist recruitment, indoctrination and training center. It is not the worship of Islam that is the problem. It is the efforts to advance Sharia Law with its requirement of Jihad and violence that is the nub of the issue.

There is a global effort to advance Sharia Law and make it the legal system of the world. Most major banks and financial institutions offer Sharia Compliant Funds which have their investments vetted by the most fundamentalist and reactionary of clerics to assure that they advance Sharia Law. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the founder of the proposed Mosque, helps to prepare a Sharia Index which rates countries on their degree of compliance with Sharia Law. In the United Kingdom, many courts have recognized Sharia as the governing law on matters between two Muslims.

Not only is Sharia Law a vicious anti-female code which orders death by stoning, promotes child marriage, decriminalizes abuse of women, and gives wives no rights in divorce, but it also explicitly recognizes the duty of all Muslims to wage Jihad against non-believers and promotes violence to achieve its goals. In this respect, violent Jihad is as inherent in Sharia Law as revolution is in Communist doctrine.

But there are non-Sharia mosques where peaceful and spiritual Muslims worship God in their own way without promoting violence. A soon-to-be published study funded by Frank Gaffney's Center for Security Policy, found that 20% of the mosques in the United States have no taint of Sharia and simply promote peaceful worship. But 80% are filled with violent literature, Sharia teachings, and promotion of Jihad and its inevitable concomitant -- terrorism.

Which brings us to the ground zero mosque. There can be no doubt that any mosque organized and run by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf will be based on Sharia Law and will serve as local branch office of the pan-Islamic terrorist offensive against the west. That such a facility should be located right next to the place where Jihad achieved its most hideous triumph is unspeakably inappropriate.

President Obama is confusing the issue when he describes it as one of religious freedom. There is broad latitude to worship God as one chooses. But there is none to promote violence and terrorism. The record of involvement of Sharia mosques with the 9-11 attackers and the Ft. Hood massacre shooter is so deep and extensive that it vividly underscores the difference between a religious institution and an organization that promotes terrorism.

Politically, President Obama's defense of the mosque and his efforts to make it a First Amendment issue are incredibly self-destructive. They raise questions about his political sanity. It is hard to believe how tone deaf he must have become to take such a position. He has now embraced two positions that are anathema to two-thirds of all Americans -- the mosque and opposition to Arizona's immigration law. Neither was a controversy that sought him out. He waded into each one voluntarily with flags flying. He had no role in the Arizona law but his lawsuit to invalidate it made it his fight. He does not sit on the New York City Planning Commission, but his endorsement of the mosque puts him squarely in the center of controversy. What is he using for brains these days?
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