Muslim Mosque at Ground Zero, NYC......what's the real deal?

Hell... fawkin.... no... they better not put a mosque up at GZ. That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a very long time.
And Mayor Bloomberg can suck my left nut. Fawkin Obamunists.
 
I believe in religious freedom, but that doesn't change the fact building a mosque so close to ground zero is terribly-insensitive.

It's a polarizing topic, and I fail to see how any good can come of it. In fact, it's putting a bigger wedge between Muslins and Christians rather than serving its claimed purpose of bridging the gap between faiths
 
I like to think of ALL mosques being at GROUND ZERO--just haven't got there yet with the bombs!
 
My thoughts on this issue:

Its not at ground zero, its a few blocks away, who cares? Bigger issues to worry about. I wonder how many existing mosques are just as close?

If this is the first mosque that close, could it potentially become a deterrent to any future attacks against the WTC site?

Will this mosque be a target for domestic terrorists who believe it shouldn't be there?
 
IslanderOffRoad said:
If this is the first mosque that close, could it potentially become a deterrent to any future attacks against the WTC site?
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If that's the case they should rebuild the twin towers and put mosques on the top floors.

But seriously, I don't think we'd be having this conversation if the towers were rebuilt by now, but as it stands, there will be a mosque built before anyone decides how to treat the WTC site. It's been 9 years already; it kinda hurts to see it empty.

Personally, I would build a line of 4 towers parallel to the middle east on that site... with the second tower considerably taller than the rest -- an architectural "f*ck-off" if you will.
 
The building that formerly occupied that space was condemned on account of one of the planes' wheels hit it after the impact with the WTC. So, it's being built, maybe not right at Ground Zero, but in a space that was made possible by the attacks.

I don't think religious freedom has anything to do with this. This isn't telling Muslims they can't be Muslims, this would be saying, build on a different block. That kinda thing happens all the time. If a structure or organization would be out of place in an area, it's not uncommon for them to be told to build elsewhere. If this is truly in the interest of religious tolerance, let's turn it into a multi-cultural religious center. It's planned to be 13 stories or something like that. Put a mosque on one floor, a synagogue on another, a church, a Buddhist temple, and so on. :D Let's see how tolerant everyone can really be.
 
IslanderOffRoad said:
My thoughts on this issue:

Its not at ground zero, its a few blocks away, who cares? Bigger issues to worry about. I wonder how many existing mosques are just as close?

If this is the first mosque that close, could it potentially become a deterrent to any future attacks against the WTC site?

Will this mosque be a target for domestic terrorists who believe it shouldn't be there?
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I care.

Since you brought up the topic of bigger issues, let's skip down that path for a while........

The original Great Mosque of Cordoba was built in the 10th century in Cordoba, Spain, the capital of the Muslim caliphate of al Andalus, ruling over the conquered Spaniards.

The Cordoba Mosque was the third largest mosque complex in the world at the time, built on the site of a former Christian church to commemorate the Muslim conquest of Spain.
This perpetuated a cultural Muslim practice of building mosques on the sites of historic conquests.

So, the mosque at GZ could be considered a monument to the action of Jihad that resulted in the slaughter of innocent 2,976 people.

Imam Rauf also believes that Americans brought the attacks of 9/11 upon themselves........

"I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened, because we have been accessory to a lot of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA."

The US taxpayers are funding Imam Rauf's current trip to the Middle East.

There is plenty of info about the Imam online, including his associations with Hammas, funding recieved by George Soros, call for Sharia Law, etc.
 
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Darky said:
The building that formerly occupied that space was condemned on account of one of the planes' wheels hit it after the impact with the WTC. So, it's being built, maybe not right at Ground Zero, but in a space that was made possible by the attacks.

I don't think religious freedom has anything to do with this. This isn't telling Muslims they can't be Muslims, this would be saying, build on a different block. That kinda thing happens all the time. If a structure or organization would be out of place in an area, it's not uncommon for them to be told to build elsewhere. If this is truly in the interest of religious tolerance, let's turn it into a multi-cultural religious center. It's planned to be 13 stories or something like that. Put a mosque on one floor, a synagogue on another, a church, a Buddhist temple, and so on. :D Let's see how tolerant everyone can really be.
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Darky, that is absolutely brilliant. :yelclap:
 
i think they need a bit more religious tolerance over there than we do here......



but, if you wanna build it in the middle of the plains with nothing around it, make it huge, so it can hold a lot of people in it at once, people that are against the US and our people and policies and beliefs, and put that XXXXer to ground zero, repeat. sounds like great idea
 
This isn't a National issue, it is a New York issue. If the City of New York OK's the building owners to raise the old building, install a Mosque, Coffee shop, Gym, Neighborhood Center, etc in that building, it is their choice; none of us have, or should have a darn thing to say about it.

The building is not at "Ground Zero", but a few blocks from it. If this was a Catholic Church, would there be the same questions being raised? No, I think not. Last time I checked, Freedom of Religion was one of the principles this proud country was formed on. Anti-Muslim statements like the one that Joe spouted are exactly what we would not put up with if we were in their place, and they should not be put up with here, but brought to light as the bigoted statements they are.

Some here spout the Constitution and the Bill of Rights like their are a shield, and they talk about the Founding Fathers like they knew them. Those folks need to sit back, have a soda, and re-read those works and those writings, because if there is something in those works that said 'Freedom of Religion (unless you happen to be a Muslim)', I missed it.

You can't blame a Religion for nut cases that use it as a tool, and you can't persecute people because of the Religion they follow.

Ron
 
Zuki-Ron said:
This isn't a National issue, it is a New York issue. If the City of New York OK's the building owners to raise the old building, install a Mosque, Coffee shop, Gym, Neighborhood Center, etc in that building, it is their choice; none of us have, or should have a darn thing to say about it.

The building is not at "Ground Zero", but a few blocks from it. If this was a Catholic Church, would there be the same questions being raised? No, I think not. Last time I checked, Freedom of Religion was one of the principles this proud country was formed on. Anti-Muslim statements like the one that Joe spouted are exactly what we would not put up with if we were in their place, and they should not be put up with here, but brought to light as the bigoted statements they are.

Some here spout the Constitution and the Bill of Rights like their are a shield, and they talk about the Founding Fathers like they knew them. Those folks need to sit back, have a soda, and re-read those works and those writings, because if there is something in those works that said 'Freedom of Religion (unless you happen to be a Muslim)', I missed it.

You can't blame a Religion for nut cases that use it as a tool, and you can't persecute people because of the Religion they follow.

Ron
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x2 on ALL of this...and to the bold part I say "patriot by convenience". This mentality that Ron is talking about is what has given "Tea Party" members the moniker "Teabaggers". We look at those folks as nuts because they spout about freedom, but have no problems persecuting those who are non-white/non-Christian. Founding Fathers would collectively facepalm while saying "Thou art doing it wrong."
 
I still think the placement of a mosque near the WTC site is on the insensitive side. If not to me than to the vast majority of North Americans that don't, yet, understand there's a difference between faith and zealotry. With all the drama around this issue all it takes is one Christian Crazy (think Timothy McVeigh ) to attack that mosque, and we've got first row tickets to watch the world burn. I think, for the sake of everyone, that mosque should be reconsidered (Darky's idea makes the most sense).

Of coarse, this drama's to be expected when A) Evangelical Christians like Franklin Graham go on air to demonize Islam, and media rather air those kindergarten-level clips than pursue an intelligent debate B) People treat the Constitution like a cafeteria menu. They'll shoot you in the face if you mention gun control, but they'll gladly slam the religious rights of Muslims without a second thought.

Personally , I don't have an issue with Muslims... more booze and pork for me :D
 
Let's hear from a Muslim point of view.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHg9gzo9o-U

Comparisons of this mosque to a Catholic cathedral would be relevent if there was an incident of radical Christians mass-murdering people because they didn't like how they acted or were of the wrong faith. It would also be relevent if the cathedral was run by a Priest who had direct ties to terrorist organizations who have openly called for the death of non-Christians or believes that the attack of 9/11 ware caused by the US.

This issue isn't JUST about one mosque and it's proximity to GZ, which is why I posted the links with facts about Imam Rauf and his radical agenda. I can see how easy it can be to gloss over the facts when they don't support your opinion.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Hiding behind the 1st Amendment goes both ways. Ones freedom to practice their religion ends when it interferes with the freedoms of another or their God-given rights.
 
And again, saying I don't think it's a good idea to build this Islamic cultural center/mosque that close to Ground Zero is a good idea doesn't equate to taking away anyone's right to be a Muslim, to practice their religion, or anything. It doesn't take a 13 story Islamic cultural center/mosque to be a Muslim and practice Islam. They could put it somewhere further away from Ground Zero and no one would be complaining.
 
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