Modern Factory "Econo-Rocket" Cars

rode in a 2002 WRX a few years back. it was tweeked a bit, boost, new comp, a few other things. running 12.8-12.9's. really the subs have it going for them with the AWD. its hard to get a RWD like a vette or stang so come out of the hole like that. But i think thr new Ford lightning P/U's are running sub 5sec 0-60 now. or at elast, in the 5's. not bad for a truck.
 
Considering the original question was about 4-banger Rockets? I will add a little. I have a 2002 Nissan Spec V. Not as potent as the WRX or SRT-4, but better bang for the buck when I bought it. The $5000 difference between the WRX I wanted and my Spec is more than enough for that turbo kit I want.

If I were to buy a new car? I would look into the WRX Sti or the SRT-4. Looking at used cars and decent values, I would price out the 2003 Spec V first. A 2002 WRX second.

Anybody want my 4-banger? I debate on selling it all of the time. Between my bike and my Jeep, I have been losing interest in the Spec.
 
The new Cobalt SS is supposed to be a pretty decent little SC. Its a super-charged 4cyl with about 200 hp. Same overall chassis as the Saturn ION Red Line but stiffer and with 18s instead of 17s. From what I've read, it'd be better off w/17s. For my money tho, FWD just doesn't cut it. I like RWD or AWD. Mazda is coming out with a MazdaSpeed version of the 6. Its AWD with a turbo 4 instead of a V6 and its the most powerful engine in a production Mazda currently. I've always liked the new 6, but it was FWD. Now with the MazdaSpeed version, its something I could buy. If I wasn't so damned poor...
 
OK, here's my vote for a real sleeper: the Subaru Legacy GT. Same engine as the WRX has, but none of the pull-me-over-officer ricer appeal. The scope for modifying it is about the same as with its little brother.

I'm not a fan of Japanese cars in general, but I do like Subarus. It's the only Japanese make I've ever owned - or would. Boxer engines + AWD = goodness aplenty.
 
5-90 said:
Raw power really doesn't mean anything, you have to turn it into power-to-weight ratio (which is part of the reason there isn't a car in production that can catch a motorcycle) 5-90

Preach it my brother! Bikes is the thing.

But on the little econo rocket thing, I've drove both a WRX and one of the Neon SR/T's. Oh my, freaking fast for a car. Made me concentrate on the bike to stay in front. Bobble a shift and they're gone. And both could hang with me in the curves...but I need some definite work there. Too used to straights now.

Sarge
 
casm said:
OK, here's my vote for a real sleeper: the Subaru Legacy GT. Same engine as the WRX has, but none of the pull-me-over-officer ricer appeal. The scope for modifying it is about the same as with its little brother.

I'm not a fan of Japanese cars in general, but I do like Subarus. It's the only Japanese make I've ever owned - or would. Boxer engines + AWD = goodness aplenty.

want even more of a sleeper? start with a 91-94 legacy turbo, with a little bit of machining, wrx DOHC heads can be made to fit the early 2.2 block, run a good intercooler, up the boost or turbo upgrade, and some computer and basic mods, can get you 300+, some even up to 350hp.
 
I'll agree that those Subie WRX's and STI's are quite the performers - I'd like to drive one once just to experience that kind of HP to 4 tires. But I still am really impressed with the '04 GTO. I'd been following the rumors and hype that GM followers had been putting out there about the Holden/GM cooperation to bring the GTO back using the Monaro platform. Drove one last August and got hooked! Quite a car overall, fit and finish are Beemer-esque, super solid construction, quiet cabin..... and the grunt from the 350 hp LS1 and 6 sp. is amazing. I broke down and bought mine in November taking advantage of year end closeouts, but I wish I'd waited a couple months longer. You can buy them now for around $23K (MSRP was $33,190 for the 6 sp) and the '05 GTO has the LS2 with 400 horse but so far are holding firm at around $37K.

A WRX or STI might take me running a 1/4, but I can't wait for a Neon SRT to try me.... :laugh3:
 
One thing to remember about the factory rice rockets, the fast ones are pretty close to optimized. It would be pretty hard to get lots more power out of them than their already getting. Not that you can't but I would think gains would be small and the price would be large.

But with the factory Detroit muscle coming out now, your just at the begining. 350hp from the GTO is just the start. Cam, heads, exhaust, etc will I'm sure put you well into the 500 range and then you can add a power adder on top of that! The old 5.0L's and newer 4.6L will improve from the same type of mods. The WRX, Neons, etc are impressive for what they are but I still think you cannot beat Detriot iron (even if it comes from Austrailia :) ). I should say it's hard to beat a V8, wherever it's from. There's just twice as much to work with there. In the case of road racing and rally cars, that's a different story because handling with the lighter motor and car makes a big difference.

B-loose
 
YELLAHEEP said:
I'll agree that those Subie WRX's and STI's are quite the performers - I'd like to drive one once just to experience that kind of HP to 4 tires.

I've driven the WRX, but not the STI. What's impressive isn't so much the power (which it has a damned good whack of), but rather the handling. You point the wheel, it goes there. Every time. Literally feels like it's welded to the road. If that test drive was aything to go by, the STIs are going to be nothing short of astounding.

Oh, and on the subject of sleeper Subarus (though admittedly this is less of a sleeper than the other two): friend of mine had an SVX. He had the autobox swapped out with (IIRC) a WRX 5-speed. I don't know the specifics on the conversion, but I can tell you this: it totally transformed the character of the car. Where it started out as a fine-handling but wafty cruiser, the manual gave it performance to match its looks.
 
If you want a Subaru sleeper, go for a Forester 2.5XT. Its a WRX engine in a Forester. The thing is probably the fastest SUV if you look at it from a speed per dollar perspective. I know the Cayenne is likely faster in a straight line but its something like $80k for the Turbo, and you're getting a 5000 lb vehicle. Kinda hard to make one of them nimble. The Forester runs 0-60 in a little over 5 seconds, well under 6 seconds. With a small lowering kit (no more than an inch), a different pulley on the turbo for more boost and a sprayer on the intercooler, you could have a very fast and nimble little vehicle. Kinda like a tall-roof WRX.

As far as getting more power from the econo-rockets, its not that hard really. Since most are turbo'd you can add a bigger turbo, or smaller(?) pulley for more boost, a better intercooler, or reprogram the ECU, plus all the normal stuff. Mopar sells Stage 1, 2, and 3 kits for the SRT4 that'll bring it up to somewhere around 300-330 I think. There's lots of 400hp Evos and STis running around. I agree that there's no replacement for displacement, but it depends what you're after. Straight power, V8 all the way. But if you want something that's just plain nimble and fast, you want smaller engines. Less weight up front=faster turn-in. That's why the Vette LS1/LS2 is all aluminum.
PS:in Evo vs STi...The STi is faster and pulls harder out of corners. The Evo carries more speed into corners but just slightly behind comin out. I read a comparison of their AWD systems and the Evo is usually running around as a FWD car until the rear end is needed, then it can split the power up to 50/50 f/r. The STi is always AWD usually at 50/50 but can change the split to be 100/0 or 0/100 I think, depending on what's needed. It might be split 40/60 f/r normally, I can't remember. But after reading that little article it made me change my mind where my $30,000 would go if I could buy either. I like the STi's setup better. Plus its usually labeled the more stable and easier to drive fast of the two.
 
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