Look at this guys Jeep

[Glenn B]

striker, you are so full of shit. Sorry to be so blunt, but I have not seen you on a real trail, nor seen you speak from real experience.

There are several here that know why limiting straps are a good thing. I am one of those. You speak from reading on the WWW, or from some off sort of wheeling. Very sad.
Glenn

 

[STRYKER]

edited. Maybe I over reacted. But I still think we should keep discussions civil, and repect for each other high.
Most of my "rock" wheeling and wilder days were in Las Cruces in 1995-1997. We played on Wolf's Run and The Guardian. It cost me a relationship because when I "was" home, it was in the garage. I will never get all-consumed with it again.

 

[STRYKER]

stryker.

get your junk on a serious ledge climb with long radius arms, and you'll discover why we've put limiting straps on our jeeps.

limiting straps limit front end unloading.

they do not limit suspension travel.

yer gonna get spanked for that statement!

Yeah...they piled on immediately afterward.
I've never used the straps. I see them as a means to keep an axle from unloading off of coils. Never having had a setup with them, and not having tackled "rocks" of the size and description that requires their use....I've never used them.

I assure you Glenn, I don't regularly photograph my wheeling. I usually drive it.
And, to be truthful, the Comanche hasn't been christined beyond the "back forty" yet. There are a couple of nasty climbs on the property, but nothing as gnarly as Moab would offer. It is the Appalachains, however. Plenty of wet, muddy rocks and tree roots on the side of a mountain.

 

[poomba]

I'd have to agree it's impressive, all right -- for all the wrong reasons.

4.5" of blocks = Recipe for Disaster

Thanks, Eagle..I read a couple of posts, where it wasn't clear if they were for, or against the higher blocks..had to have a buddy explain the downsides of that much height using blocks. Someone mentioned too many people are clueless when rebuilding...put me in that catagory. Thanks for taking the time to say it's something to watch out for..

 

[STRYKER]

Would you like to explain that statement? People that run limiting straps have built suspensions that have very little bind and a large amount of articulation. Limimity straps are a part of a well enginered suspension, designed to prevent unloading and premature shock failure.

Point taken. Last rig I had in the rocks was a leafspring vehicle. Even after the addition of Ford coils and coil buckets to the CJ frame, I never had occasion to unseat a coil. I suppose that a coil retainer could be added to the coil top of an XJ to retain it during mad flex...

Back in 1995, none of our group had begun to run them yet. I suppose they would have helped the unloading problem, and it makes sense. But I have never been on a run where they were ever used. Course, we had no XJ's or MJ's in that crowd either.

 

[Beezil]

we're not talkin unseatin' coils. we're talkin mostly about centered limiting straps.

btw, if yer not unseatin coils, you aint flexin

 

[Hunter-LynchburgVa]

My rig currently sits at around 10" of lift.... after the custom coil spacers were installed. They are effectively dropped coil buckets secured over the stock stalk and secured to the uniframe on the outside of the frame rail. They alone give me around 6" of lift.

I use radius arms as a front axle attachment point, as well as 3" blocks out back over a custom leafpack. Anyone want to try to outflex it?

To be fair...I also have a 119" wheelbase. That's probably where I get ahead.

EDIT: I'm very much in agreement with Beez and others who pointed out that 38" tires are spinning on stock toothpicks of axles. He needed to beef the running gear (replace it w/ bigger axles altogether) before he dressed it up.

I think you get ahead by running 10" of lift and 33's. It looks like it flexes because the tires are so tiny for that amount of lift, and im sure the 3" blocks over the custom leaf pack dont help much at all:anon:

Hunter

 

[STRYKER]

Tire size is like opinions.
Some like Eagle will never go past 31" tires....and they go places, too.
I've done the 39.5" thing on an old CJ8 years ago. I really didn't see the difference in clearance. There may have been a clear 5" difference when they were aired down....but I can't remember any particular incident when I remember it not being enough.

I'll never go past a set of 33 inch tires on my vehicles again. I "might" try a set of the 34" Intercos for offroad use only.

It has already been pointed out that I can flex, but I've got no compression on the lower side because of those blocks.

 

[Hunter-LynchburgVa]

Tire size is like opinions.
Some like Eagle will never go past 31" tires....and they go places, too.
I've done the 39.5" thing on an old CJ8 years ago. I really didn't see the difference in clearance. There may have been a clear 5" difference when they were aired down....but I can't remember any particular incident when I remember it not being enough.

I'll never go past a set of 33 inch tires on my vehicles again. I "might" try a set of the 34" Intercos for offroad use only.

It has already been pointed out that I can flex, but I've got no compression on the lower side because of those blocks.

i wasn't commenting just on tire size. more of a lift heigth to tire size ratio, and the actual worth/point/use of 10" of lift

 

[STRYKER]

But....but...
That's a 10" BODY LIFT

 

[Hunter-LynchburgVa]

there is a difference between having uptravel (we'll stick to just evaluating the front end)because you have 10" of lift w/ 33" tires and flex. the picture was to show a more extreme version of your truck not to mimic your actual setup, luckily for us you have a unibody up front in that mj.

Hunter

 

[CW]

I agree that 10" of lift is excessive for 33's and your CG is probably way too high. I think of flex as a combination of droop and compression, that much lift is completely pointless if the tires are not being stuffed into the fender wells on compression.
Like this

 

[Erik]

I'd like a tour of the trunk with the little girly, heh, heh, heh....