legalize it?
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88 Wagonman
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You misunderstood me, I didn't mean that they were that way only when high. They are that way ALL THE TIME. When alcoholics are sober they are somewhat normal.
camarors8992
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I've done it maybe 4 times in the past 5 years, and I enjoyed it. I liked being relaxed, and just overall happy. However, i will not buy it, and I turn it down VERY often just because it is illegal. If it were legal, then sure I probably would do it more often. Until then, once a year keeps me satisfied.
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People talk about weed like it is a healthy product. In certain areas here we test it, part of a program to study the impact of crop fertilizers and insecticides on wild game. The Deer eat it and their hair falls out (it took us years to track down the cause and sources, we got sidetracked testing food crops).
Lindane (a neurotoxin) and home made Benzine and liquid soap are the prefered insecticides used by pot growers. Benzine exposure can cause Leukemia at a higher rate than cigarette smoking causes lung cancer. Most of the fertilizers used are not approved for food crops, nobody knows the consequences of burning the residues.
Be darned if I'd smoke any (especially for a prolonged period) without knowing the source.
Lindane (a neurotoxin) and home made Benzine and liquid soap are the prefered insecticides used by pot growers. Benzine exposure can cause Leukemia at a higher rate than cigarette smoking causes lung cancer. Most of the fertilizers used are not approved for food crops, nobody knows the consequences of burning the residues.
Be darned if I'd smoke any (especially for a prolonged period) without knowing the source.
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There's peanut butter plants that give us salmonella... we should make it illegal.
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i've personally wrecked, while stoned off my ass! these facts are BS..
But, i could care less. legalize it, tax the living hell out of it and call it a day.
I'll never smoke it again. and i dont put up with Potheads in my life. If your High, and your around me, dont expect me to be nice...:cheers:
8Mud
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All I'm saying is, in all likelihood it's not as harmless (in the real world), health wise, as everybody seems to think.
8Mud
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When I was working construction, one floor below the steel and two floors above the concrete and 14 plus floors above the parking lot, some guy would come to work stoned, hung over or whatever and we'd duct tape him to a pillar for his shift.
5-90
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Not "legalise" - "decriminalise."
It can still be controlled in a similar manner to EtOH - and should be. It is, after all, an intoxicating substance.
However, as someone who suffers from chronic pain (and has a phenomenally high resistance to typical narcotic painkillers. Many oral narcotics simply do not work for me, others require massive doses to have any effect at all...) it would be nice to have another option available to change things up - it takes rather longer for tolerances to increase when you can rotate through several choices.
As an example: two of the most commonly-prescribed oral narcotic painkillers, coedine and vicodin, I have trouble with. Coedine has no effect whatever on me. Period. I can take them like Tic-Tacs without having any effect at all. In fact, I don't respond to most opiates - I typically require double or triple doses of morphine for any effect to be noted.
Vicodin/hydrocodone only has effect on me in massive quantities. What's 'massive?' Most people take only one, and get wiped out for somewhere around six hours. I take six, and it knocks the pain down to where I can think. (Four if I take them with booze. Yes, I know I'm not supposed to. Gimme a break.)
I'm seeing a pain management specialist and I started seeing a physical rehab specialist to-day, and all three of us have agreed that oral narcotic painkillers just aren't going to happen. Other approaches are needed - which is why I have a cervical traction device, a TENS unit, and various topical agents (I'm still finding the right mix for everything, but I'm finally making progress on all of my pain.) So, at least, I'm finally moving forward.
I've never tried any bud - but if it were legal, I'd probably burn one or two a week just to get some proper rest (physical pain is physically tiring, and THC is also a painkiller.)
It can still be controlled in a similar manner to EtOH - and should be. It is, after all, an intoxicating substance.
However, as someone who suffers from chronic pain (and has a phenomenally high resistance to typical narcotic painkillers. Many oral narcotics simply do not work for me, others require massive doses to have any effect at all...) it would be nice to have another option available to change things up - it takes rather longer for tolerances to increase when you can rotate through several choices.
As an example: two of the most commonly-prescribed oral narcotic painkillers, coedine and vicodin, I have trouble with. Coedine has no effect whatever on me. Period. I can take them like Tic-Tacs without having any effect at all. In fact, I don't respond to most opiates - I typically require double or triple doses of morphine for any effect to be noted.
Vicodin/hydrocodone only has effect on me in massive quantities. What's 'massive?' Most people take only one, and get wiped out for somewhere around six hours. I take six, and it knocks the pain down to where I can think. (Four if I take them with booze. Yes, I know I'm not supposed to. Gimme a break.)
I'm seeing a pain management specialist and I started seeing a physical rehab specialist to-day, and all three of us have agreed that oral narcotic painkillers just aren't going to happen. Other approaches are needed - which is why I have a cervical traction device, a TENS unit, and various topical agents (I'm still finding the right mix for everything, but I'm finally making progress on all of my pain.) So, at least, I'm finally moving forward.
I've never tried any bud - but if it were legal, I'd probably burn one or two a week just to get some proper rest (physical pain is physically tiring, and THC is also a painkiller.)
WB9YZU
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LOL! MP> What do the leaves look like on a "peanut butter plant" 
As someone stated earlier, I believe that how stupid one appears afterward depends on their normal condition. I worked with one guy who was a real grump... except after lunch
However, he was a real sharp guy all the time.
The article messes up. It tries to blure the line between a fiber plant and todays version of MJ.
Hemp is a fiber plant and was grown as a cash crop in the US with great success. Some fields still have a plant or two crop up occasionally even after all this time. The high factor was, and still is for field hemp, fairly weak.
MJ is a a version of the plant that has been grown to enhance it's halicinagenic content.
I see that in CA, one county pretty much has their own MJ growers all set up and isolated from the Fed. It's also legal to posess in CA as long it is for medical use (isn't it all for "Medicinal use"). It's not that it's not against Fed law, but the Feds rely on the State to help enforce it, and CA seems reluctant to waste money on it.
It seems to me that a lot of good would come from legalizing the production and sale of not only hemp, but of MJ. Why? Because right now, there is a whole crimal network producing and selling the stuff. Legalizing the production and sale of these products, then regulating them like tobaco or alcohol would destroy the criminal networks, and set free a number of individuals from prison that have no real place there anyway.
Farmers could get back to growing a natural fiber source, if that's what the market calls for, and the police could stop wasting precious money tracking people who are no real threat to the populace. Perhaps the Daniel Boone NF would become safe again.
Ron
As someone stated earlier, I believe that how stupid one appears afterward depends on their normal condition. I worked with one guy who was a real grump... except after lunch
However, he was a real sharp guy all the time.The article messes up. It tries to blure the line between a fiber plant and todays version of MJ.
Hemp is a fiber plant and was grown as a cash crop in the US with great success. Some fields still have a plant or two crop up occasionally even after all this time. The high factor was, and still is for field hemp, fairly weak.
MJ is a a version of the plant that has been grown to enhance it's halicinagenic content.
I see that in CA, one county pretty much has their own MJ growers all set up and isolated from the Fed. It's also legal to posess in CA as long it is for medical use (isn't it all for "Medicinal use"). It's not that it's not against Fed law, but the Feds rely on the State to help enforce it, and CA seems reluctant to waste money on it.
It seems to me that a lot of good would come from legalizing the production and sale of not only hemp, but of MJ. Why? Because right now, there is a whole crimal network producing and selling the stuff. Legalizing the production and sale of these products, then regulating them like tobaco or alcohol would destroy the criminal networks, and set free a number of individuals from prison that have no real place there anyway.
Farmers could get back to growing a natural fiber source, if that's what the market calls for, and the police could stop wasting precious money tracking people who are no real threat to the populace. Perhaps the Daniel Boone NF would become safe again.
Ron
hupo224
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Lets all wheel and fly at the same time
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I like that.
I took the same approach with my boys - when they'd get into an argument, I'd duct tape them together (making sure to tape their hands where they couldn't move them...) and let them sort it out. They learned to get along rather well that way.
Or, at least, not argue where I could hear it...
8Mud
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LOL! MP> What do the leaves look like on a "peanut butter plant"
I see that in CA, one county pretty much has their own MJ growers all set up and isolated from the Fed. It's also legal to posess in CA as long it is for medical use (isn't it all for "Medicinal use"). It's not that it's not against Fed law, but the Feds rely on the State to help enforce it, and CA seems reluctant to waste money on it.
Ron
One northern California county has tripled it's population in the last 35 years, but the tax paying work force has remained mostly static.
The mean average income is something like $40,000 a year (approximately 1/3 rd of the population is employed or on unemployment, available work force). The population is around 40,000 +. It either rains money there or they are really poor and frugal. LOL It seems they have found a way for every man woman and child to live off of a $1000 a year before taxes.
They seem to lobby against legalization at every opportunity.
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RichP
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LOL! MP> What do the leaves look like on a "peanut butter plant"
As someone stated earlier, I believe that how stupid one appears afterward depends on their normal condition. I worked with one guy who was a real grump... except after lunch
The article messes up. It tries to blure the line between a fiber plant and todays version of MJ.
Hemp is a fiber plant and was grown as a cash crop in the US with great success. Some fields still have a plant or two crop up occasionally even after all this time. The high factor was, and still is for field hemp, fairly weak.
MJ is a a version of the plant that has been grown to enhance it's halicinagenic content.
I see that in CA, one county pretty much has their own MJ growers all set up and isolated from the Fed. It's also legal to posess in CA as long it is for medical use (isn't it all for "Medicinal use"). It's not that it's not against Fed law, but the Feds rely on the State to help enforce it, and CA seems reluctant to waste money on it.
It seems to me that a lot of good would come from legalizing the production and sale of not only hemp, but of MJ. Why? Because right now, there is a whole crimal network producing and selling the stuff. Legalizing the production and sale of these products, then regulating them like tobaco or alcohol would destroy the criminal networks, and set free a number of individuals from prison that have no real place there anyway.
Farmers could get back to growing a natural fiber source, if that's what the market calls for, and the police could stop wasting precious money tracking people who are no real threat to the populace. Perhaps the Daniel Boone NF would become safe again.
Ron
If you want to really tick off a pot grower throw some hemp plants in there with the MJ or nearby. The hemp plants tend to neuter the MJ plants.
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So you don't try it becouse? If you are really that bad off why would you not give it a try. Its not like you have never broken the law.
Well then it must just be the person, the drug doesnt stay in your system for ever?
Certainly smoking weed can change your life in a bad way, but classifying everyone that smokes is kind of illogical.
If we look at alcohol, sure there are people who drink in excess and we call them alcoholics. Yet there are many people who drink responsibly and it doesnt affect them negatively.
I feel its the same way with weed. Sure it can really screw your life over, but it can still be enjoyed responsibly as well.
(Never have smoked, dont plan on it)
/$.02
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I sat on the curb for an hour last night because of this whole illegal weed deal, and I must say it was not fun. I watch my buddies get cuffed and handed some tickets and court dates.
What I thought was lame was the passenger had a joint, the driver was pretty sober and driving just fine (I was sober) but his stupid truck had an electrical deal and the lights were out for the time when we passed a cop (in a well lit neighborhood) and the night was done. It's amazing to me how screwed a driver can get when his passengers are the ones fcking up.
I've seen what weed does, quite frankly I see it no differently then alcohol, and think if it was legalized far less people would feel the need to drive around while high, or be hiding in dark places in the city...after all, if you have nothing to hide you're much more likely to do it at your own house and not cause any problems to anyone else.
~Scott
What I thought was lame was the passenger had a joint, the driver was pretty sober and driving just fine (I was sober) but his stupid truck had an electrical deal and the lights were out for the time when we passed a cop (in a well lit neighborhood) and the night was done. It's amazing to me how screwed a driver can get when his passengers are the ones fcking up.
I've seen what weed does, quite frankly I see it no differently then alcohol, and think if it was legalized far less people would feel the need to drive around while high, or be hiding in dark places in the city...after all, if you have nothing to hide you're much more likely to do it at your own house and not cause any problems to anyone else.
~Scott
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There was a local radio talk show host that was upset by the no smoking ordinances that were being passed and others that were being considered for Houston. I would listen to his show, but instead of calling in I would e-mail him my thoughts.
His point was he didn't like government intervention into the decision making of the individual, which I agreed with up to a point. After several e-mails back and forth over several weeks, I came to the conclusion, and told him this, that he could not think clearly on the subject because his brain chemistry had been changed. He was an addict, and would say or do anyway so he could keep smoking.
I think the same applies here.
His point was he didn't like government intervention into the decision making of the individual, which I agreed with up to a point. After several e-mails back and forth over several weeks, I came to the conclusion, and told him this, that he could not think clearly on the subject because his brain chemistry had been changed. He was an addict, and would say or do anyway so he could keep smoking.
I think the same applies here.
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to all the people goin off on the kid who wrote the essay and his bad grammer you all seem to forget something...
....hes in high school and probably doesnt have the best grammar or knowledge, as far as the facts are concerned, i guarantee its not due to the pot
i personally say legalize it i was a heavy user up until about 2 months ago and by heavy i mean multiple times a day every day. and guess what i was able to function completely normal at work, while driving, and interacting with other people.
and i only quit to be able to pass a drug test if i get a job
now i do agree it shouldnt be used while driving around or anything like that, even though i do it, i just dont think that its a good idea and the only reason why i did it was to try and stay away from people that did not agree with what i do
but if it was legal i wouldnt have to deal with people not agreeing with it and could stay at my home
just legalize it, it will solve more problems than what being illegal has caused
....hes in high school and probably doesnt have the best grammar or knowledge, as far as the facts are concerned, i guarantee its not due to the pot
i personally say legalize it i was a heavy user up until about 2 months ago and by heavy i mean multiple times a day every day. and guess what i was able to function completely normal at work, while driving, and interacting with other people.
and i only quit to be able to pass a drug test if i get a job
now i do agree it shouldnt be used while driving around or anything like that, even though i do it, i just dont think that its a good idea and the only reason why i did it was to try and stay away from people that did not agree with what i do
but if it was legal i wouldnt have to deal with people not agreeing with it and could stay at my home
just legalize it, it will solve more problems than what being illegal has caused
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