Keep The 5 Year Old Desktop OR Get A Laptop For College

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I am currently at Alfred University in NY. My first day of classes are tomorrow, but I've got a dilema. Our old desktop from '01 doesnt fit on my tiny desk too well. I was thinking if I got a laptop I could take it off my desk when I don't need it or have the portability to go to the library or whatever when I need to. Or, my dad (who it took me a year to let me buy a Jeep) wants me to keep the slow, virus and spyware infected desktop and just get an LCD monitor that will fit on my desk. I would rather go with the laptop.

Any input would be appreciated
Thanks
 
Get a laptop - that's what I did. (IBM T30, Refurbished.)

The advantages of a laptop for a student are legion, but let me sum up what I've noted first...

Get an "extended battery" - trips to the libarary are much easier.
Get an inverter - if you're in between classes, you can work in your truck without going anywhere.
Get a spare power adapter/wall wart. Sit in the classroom near a power outlet, and you don't have to worry about running down your battery. (the only problem I have with typing my notes is that it's taken me 22 years to learn to type...)
Last, get a "pocket hard drive" - and back up your data to it regularly. This will allow you to recover if you somehow lose your lappy, or if you have a HDD crash in the thing, and it will allow you to continue work on another machine if need be.

There are quite a few more that I'm not remembering, but those are the highlights. I'd have gotten something newer than a T30 last year, but that was the fastest ThinkPad I could find that ran Win2000 and not XP, and that the accessories I'd gotten for my old T20 would fit into... I haven't been impressed enough with XP to bother upgrading, and I hate that "Fisher-Price" interface... I'm told I can fix that, but I haven't owned enough XP to figure out how...

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Get the laptop or a tablet PC. If you use Microsoft's OneNote software, you can use the tablet PC to take your notes in class, just like you would in a notebook. Plus, most campuses have huge wireless networks, which is nice to use with a laptop or tablet with.
 
I would go with the notebook. Look at an acer with an AMD turon and a gig of memory. Try to find one that has a seperate video card and not a shared video memory, if you do get shared memory bite the bullet and go straight to 2 gigs of ram. It should also have built in wireless b/g don't bother with the n, it's not a fixed standard yet and it has alot of bugs in it.
 
Lots of advantages to a laptop in your situation, but some judgment needs to be made on a couple of things. First is security. You'll have to be really careful that your new laptop is not stolen. The second is fragility. If you're a student, you are going to be hard on your computer. Lots of typing, late nights, bad moods, food in the wrong places. Be realistic about how careful you want to have to be, because if the laptop is stolen, there goes all your work, and if you break it, there goes all your work too. A spare hard drive is a good idea, but you have to remember to use it with great regularity. If you do decide to get a laptop (my stepson by the way agrees with 5-90 after much research, and got an IBM which he really likes), I would recommend you keep a keyboard and mouse at your desk, to save wear and tear, crumbs and drink damage, etc.

I do also have to note that if your current computer is virus and spyware infected, that's hardly its fault, nor will getting a new one solve that problem for long. That will be especially true once you're on a college network. The network will be crawling with every variety of malware known to the file-sharing, promiscuously downloading, porn-ogling student body. Make sure, whatever you do, to clean up your computer, keep your firewall up, and learn to keep it clean, or it will fail you in times of need.

Note to 5-90. It's not that hard to get Windows XP out of teletubby land. I have my XP laptop looking just about the same as my Win98 desktop.
 
I just started my freshman year of college a week ago and got a laptop as a gift from my mom for graduatinig high school. I'd say definately go with a laptop. You'd be starting over again fresh (not an infected computer), it's much smaller than a desktop (all space matters in a dorm, especially if you're like me and sharing it with somebody, plus I can just throw it in my bag, throw the bag in my Jeep and go whenever i want to...very handy when i do the 80 mile drive back home on the weekends. I'd highly recommend the Dell Inspiron E1505 model. It's a decent entertainment notebook that comes with a DVD/CD burner, and the wide screen for playing DVD's on. Pretty durable little thing.

It would be more hassle than it's worth to clean up the old desktop and get it ready for school....plus you say it's 5 years old, technology has changed alot in that time.

Definately invest in a Jump Drive...makes transferring information from computer to computer much much easier, and fits right on my key chain, so it goes where I go, and holds a hell of a lot more than a floppy or what not.
 
Matthew Currie said:
Lots of advantages to a laptop in your situation, but some judgment needs to be made on a couple of things. First is security. You'll have to be really careful that your new laptop is not stolen. The second is fragility. If you're a student, you are going to be hard on your computer. Lots of typing, late nights, bad moods, food in the wrong places. Be realistic about how careful you want to have to be, because if the laptop is stolen, there goes all your work, and if you break it, there goes all your work too. A spare hard drive is a good idea, but you have to remember to use it with great regularity. If you do decide to get a laptop (my stepson by the way agrees with 5-90 after much research, and got an IBM which he really likes), I would recommend you keep a keyboard and mouse at your desk, to save wear and tear, crumbs and drink damage, etc.

I do also have to note that if your current computer is virus and spyware infected, that's hardly its fault, nor will getting a new one solve that problem for long. That will be especially true once you're on a college network. The network will be crawling with every variety of malware known to the file-sharing, promiscuously downloading, porn-ogling student body. Make sure, whatever you do, to clean up your computer, keep your firewall up, and learn to keep it clean, or it will fail you in times of need.

Note to 5-90. It's not that hard to get Windows XP out of teletubby land. I have my XP laptop looking just about the same as my Win98 desktop.

Thanks. I knew it was possible - I just haven't been arsed to figure it out yet. I'm an old DOS/UNIX hack from 'way back when, and I had to be dragged kicking and screaming into GUI land (I didn't get Win95 until mid-1998, and the only reason I had Win3.0/3.1/3.11 was to support other people using it. At least it was only a shell, and I could exit that and run MS-DOS or DR-DOS at will...)

Curious question - did your step agree with me after I'd said whatever I'd said, or before? I've run across more than a few people who've gotten IBM (now Lenovo) on my say-so, and they've been happy...

Note to new buyers - Lenovo has been OEM-ing ThinkPads and Netvistas for a few years, IBM just gave over to Lenovo so they could concentrate on their server market. Apart from nameplates, no real changes...

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5-90 said:
Thanks. I knew it was possible - I just haven't been arsed to figure it out yet. I'm an old DOS/UNIX hack from 'way back when, and I had to be dragged kicking and screaming into GUI land (I didn't get Win95 until mid-1998, and the only reason I had Win3.0/3.1/3.11 was to support other people using it. At least it was only a shell, and I could exit that and run MS-DOS or DR-DOS at will...)

Curious question - did your step agree with me after I'd said whatever I'd said, or before? I've run across more than a few people who've gotten IBM (now Lenovo) on my say-so, and they've been happy...

Note to new buyers - Lenovo has been OEM-ing ThinkPads and Netvistas for a few years, IBM just gave over to Lenovo so they could concentrate on their server market. Apart from nameplates, no real changes...

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I know what you mean about windows. I'd still be running Dos 3.2 if you could get turbo tax for it. I finally jumped from Win 3.1 to 98 in 2000, mainly to keep using Turbo Tax, and because too many web sites wouldn't work with Netscape 3.

My stepson did his own research on IBM, agonized for weeks, or even months, and finally got one he liked. I don't remember the model, but it seems to be working out for him, and looked like a pretty good deal. I'm still happy with my '02 vintage Dell laptop, except that it needs a new battery.
 
Get a laptop.

We just bought a Dell Inspiron B130/ Inspiron 1300 with a few upgrades.
Works well & reliable. My wife need it for school as well as for teaching gig.

Good luck on whatever you decide. And of course, college.
 
Do get a laptop. I had one my last 1 1/2 years of college (just graduated this summer) and I wish I had one sooner. It really helped me get things done for school, plus, like someone mentioned, most schools have free wireless access. Get a wireless card. You can use it to visit NAXJA between classes.

I have a Dell. While I can't complain because I am lucky to own a laptop, I will not be buying one in the future. Other than the battery it has good features and has been good to me, but I decided they are the KIA of laptops. Aside from not having a battery right now, its construction seems much cheaper and far more fragile than Sony and IBM models I have seen. I will buy one of those in the future. I have to be very careful with it.

Don't worry about having it stolen, but do not leave it anywhere but right in front of you, definetly not in the car, etc. If you are on a budget, look for a second-hand unit from a company upgrading (what I have) or a refurbished model or check classifieds around campus.
 
IBM/Lenovo does factory refurbs for decent prices. I got started with a refurb ThinkPad (I don't recall the model number) years ago - then a 760XD, then a 600, then a T20, and now a T30. Consider how I try to do things on rigs - would I have stuck with the brand if it weren't worth a damn?

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Get a laptop. I'm sure you could get a deal on a refurbished one. Be careful ..those things sprout legs (theft friendly).

A portable external hard drive is also a good purchase.
 
ok here is an oposing point of veiw to all of the above. I had a grand to spend on a computer 3 years ago. I could get anything i wanted as long as it was $1000 or less. I went with the desktop for the preformance compared to price part. And today it is still comparable to some of the top computers that they are putting out now. 768 RAM, Pent 4, 2.6 ghz, 256mb graphics card. Yes a laptop would be nice but i know how ADD i am and if i had one in class i would sit on this site all day instead of attempting to pay attention to class.

It also depends on what the comp you have at the moment has on it. I wouldn't reccomend it for dorm/college use unless it is running 512 ram just cause this thing is going to turn into your alarm clock/ radio/ jukebox/ calculator/ dvd player/ workstation/ internet portal/ gaming/ shopping/ and god knows whatelse. And most of the time you will be using it to do numerous things at once. so speed is def an issue. it also might matter what OS you are running. I know the network at my school required everyone to have XP. Which was stupid but the conviently sold over priced copies in the book store.

Just my .02 cents.
 
rckclmbr said:
ok here is an oposing point of veiw to all of the above. I had a grand to spend on a computer 3 years ago. I could get anything i wanted as long as it was $1000 or less. I went with the desktop for the preformance compared to price part. And today it is still comparable to some of the top computers that they are putting out now. 768 RAM, Pent 4, 2.6 ghz, 256mb graphics card. Yes a laptop would be nice but i know how ADD i am and if i had one in class i would sit on this site all day instead of attempting to pay attention to class.

It also depends on what the comp you have at the moment has on it. I wouldn't reccomend it for dorm/college use unless it is running 512 ram just cause this thing is going to turn into your alarm clock/ radio/ jukebox/ calculator/ dvd player/ workstation/ internet portal/ gaming/ shopping/ and god knows whatelse. And most of the time you will be using it to do numerous things at once. so speed is def an issue. it also might matter what OS you are running. I know the network at my school required everyone to have XP. Which was stupid but the conviently sold over priced copies in the book store.

Just my .02 cents.


I'll give you the last bit - since I'm 34, married, and live off-campus in a regular home, I don't need my computer to do quite as much (I've got a desktop that I built that does all my "heavy lifting."

Also, I can see a school requiring all their machines to run a specific OS (and damned if DAC didn't go and upgrade to XP all over...) but there's no reason for them to control the OS on privately-owned machines as well. Besides, if it comes down to needing it for wireless access, there's always Barnes & Noble, McDonald's, and myriad other outfits doing free wireless anyhow - probably within a couple minutes' walk of campus. I don't recall the URL, but there's at least one WiFi hotspot index online (keyed by airport service area, ZIP code, and other ways to nail your location down...) and most companies will advertise it anyhow.

I'd still suggest a portable - mainly for the portability. Unless you're into engineering or graphic arts, and plan to do a boatload of 3D rendering, you're mainly going to use MSOffice and maybe some software development suites (I also run Visual C/C++ and Codewarrior for PalmOS,) which are more memory-intensive than anything else, and don't need a lot of processor. Most computer makers will offer a RAM upsell for a reasonable price - when I got my T30, it would come with 128Mb, but I got 1Gb RAM for about $50 extra (and it would probably be less now.)

Brands? I do like IBM, but I've also used Sony, Panasonic Toughbook, and Toshiba with good results. Dell, I woudn't bother with - and Compaqs would be worth more as scrap metal, even after the merger with HP. A proper HP isn't bad - but they've probably been infected due to the Compaq merger, and I wouldn't bother anymore.

I do find Sony to be a bit spendy - but only slightly inflated due to the featureset, I think. Panasonic (I had a CF-41 Mk II) makes a fairly rugged machine - but the "Toughbook" is about two generations behind on hardware - they're almost bombproof, but use "tried and proven" rather than "cutting edge" - you're paying for toughness and reliability.

I would suggest getting something that has a "Drive Bay" (like the UltraBay on ThinkPads) - which will allow you to swap drives. My T30 has an UltraBay - and I've got a DVD-RAM, DVD-ROM, ZIP250, FDD, and spare battery that all fit in there (one at a time, natch - I don't mind weight, but I leave all the permanently-installed stuff in the desktop...) The battery lives in the machine - everything else is on the shelf next to my desk.

A "thumb drive" (sometimes referred to also as a "jump drive,") is a good idea whether you get a computer or not - you can do your work on campus machines, and save it to the thumb - and get into it later. It also allows you to move data/files from machine to machine, and allows larger/more files than just emailing them to yourself. I have several, as well as PCMCIA memory card adapters (since I get files on various media, I find it useful to be able to read pretty much anything...)

Speed may be at issue, but unless you're doing heavy 3D rendering or something, anything over 1GHz is going to be just ducky - just load up on RAM, since that's what causes the bottleneck with multitasking anyhow. Second is to load up on HDD - Windows likes to use a section of HDD as "extended RAM" (W calls it the "swap file - and it's usually 5-7% of the total drive,) so the more of that you can come up with, the better.

I'd suggest something that runs at least 1GHz (should be no trouble at all...) 512Mb RAM or greater, and at least 60Gb HDD (which should be no trouble - I bought one for my T30 for a reasonable price.) Also, make sure it uses standard goodies like HDD and RAM - if you want/need to upgrade later, it's easier to do (and cheaper!) if you can get standard goodies. IBM was always nice about that - Compaq was NOT.

Peripherals? I'd go with...
1S1P port (you may or may not need the serial - you'll want the printer!)
Inbuilt MODEM
Inbuilt LAN (saves carrying dongles around...)
You can get 802.11x inbuilt or in PCMCIA or DONGLE - I prefer to have it something attachable, so I can go "off the grid" if I feel the need to.
VGA port or port replicator (so you can get a monitor for home. A "port replicator" will duplicate pretty much all the ports on the back of the machine, and you can hook them up/unhook them all at once. You tell me which is more convenient, and I'll tell you how many port replicators I run at home...)
Inbuilt USB - two ports or better, if you can get it. Your port replicator would probably either have a single port (get a hub!) or an inbuilt hub - depends on what you get. Also - some port replicators (Targus comes to mind) are "universal" and connect via a USB port. I am not sure about the functionality of these - I haven't used them, and am therefore unqualified to comment.
Keyboard &/or mouse port - these will probably be for PS/2 (Mini-DIN 6) You can carry a mouse or trackball around in your bag if you don't like the inbuilt pointing device.

Highly suggested -
A "pocket HDD" with at least enough space to hold all your useful data and then some - 20Gb would probably be a minimum.
A "number pad" if you plan to do a lot of numerical data, calculation, or entry. Get proficient in 10-key - it will pay off later...
A good external keyboard - use at your desk. Some laptop keyboards are quite nice, but if you're a hamfisted operator (like me!) you'll want a little more space...
A decent monitor - LCD or CRT. For your desk - laptop displays have come a LONG way, but it's still nice to look at something fairly large that you can mount where you want and move at will. Standalone LCD's have come down significantly - I've got a pair of ViewSonic 17" displays that I picked up for $10/inch. A good guideline is $10-15/inch for a display - anything less will probably be crap, anything more will probably be overkill. Sometimes, good brands will be on sale - watch for them! I'd go ViewSonic, NEC, and most of the better-known goodies.
A good desk and chair. Believe me, you'll spend a LOT of time sitting there - might as well be able to work comfortably! How you sit at your desk shows in your quality of work that you turn in - believe me. Having done numerous "peer review" exercises, I have been able to read other students' papers and tell whether their desk fits them or not...

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The T and R series use titanium cases, I bought a T60 if I remember right, for my daughter, rock solid and one button recovery, good support and if you do get one get the 3 year contract. As for a burner, I'd go with the standard onboard reader that goes in the bay and get an external USB burner. Opticals tend to not last all that long and the smartbay dvd burner from lenovo/ibm is kind of pricey.
The college generally supplies A/V software, at least Temple does, but I installed the full version of AVG on the laptop.
 
I might mention one thing not thought of yet. While I think, all things being equal, you would be better served having one, you might find increasing resistance to using it in class. In the last two years there has been an increase in professors who will not allow students to use their laptops in class. Their use in cheating as well as the distracting nature of a convenient Wi-Fi and other entertainment uses have pushed an increasing number of profs. over the edge. I allow students to use laptops to take notes. However, I do say that if they are used for other purposes, I will not allow the student to use it in the class again. For me, it is more an issue fo how distracting it is when they are surfing youtube or playing a video game in a large lecture hall.
On a side note, anyone thought of using a PDA to take notes with? Portable, utilitarian cheaper than a new laptop.
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Being that there were no PC's when I was going to school, I have to ask a question: Can a person really take notes faster and as comprehensively on a laptop as writing in notebook? Those undersized keyboards make me crazy. I can't picture it.

Second, I imagine an unattended desktop computer in a dorm room is just as if not more pilferable than a laptop that never leaves one's side,.... particularly if you don't have the option of choosing your roomate or control of the security of your personal affects. I suppose personal discipline really matters when it comes to the security of your laptop.

Nobody has said it but unless money is truly a concern, I imagine that a laptop is pretty standard issue for college kids these days. Can you do without it? Yes. Are there advantages to having one? Absolutley. I've got a pre-teen. He does not own a cell phone like many of his friends but he will have all of the "equipment" necessary to help him succeed scholastically when he goes to off to college.
 
Desks can be an issue, I tend to use Leda desks, things are built with steel frames and they sandwich steel between the MDF surfaces. They are the only ones that passed my 'sit on it and wiggle' test. I figure if the desktop can handle my 260lbs it won't bend :D
It also has some features depending on model that allow you to mount a UPS up off the floor on a cross piece. I don't have my normal link available and this place is kinda pricey but it was the quickest on the search
http://www.sitincomfort.com/ledeledladco.html
I also can't stress the use of a UPS enough, thru experience the use of a UPS will triple the life of a powersupply and while most off the shelf UPS's won't handle a laser printer on the battery side they will handle an inkjet. On the systems I build and sell I REQUIRE a UPS as part of the purchase or the warranty goes from 36 months to 9 months.
I just got done last week replacing 5 dells at an realtor with my systems. They lost all 5 from a hit, the other 8 I have in there that I built and installed just kept chugging right along.
 
yardape said:
Being that there were no PC's when I was going to school, I have to ask a question: Can a person really take notes faster and as comprehensively on a laptop as writing in notebook? Those undersized keyboards make me crazy. I can't picture it.

Second, I imagine an unattended desktop computer in a dorm room is just as if not more pilferable than a laptop that never leaves one's side,.... particularly if you don't have the option of choosing your roomate or control of the security of your personal affects. I suppose personal discipline really matters when it comes to the security of your laptop.

i dont see how people take notes with a laptop, so many of my classes require diagrams which is obviously impossible without some $$$ hardware and software. They make some pretty good laptop locks now a days that will keep it safe. The bigger issue at a lot of dorms are phones, digital cameras and ipods.

ive just had a desktop for the first 3 years, but i don thave the size issue your talking about. I have been thinking of getting a laptop as well because of its portability and the wireless network avaliable on campus. If you are thinking of getting a new one i would go with the laptop deffinatly. Your Coop should have some good deals, i know apple is pretty involved on campuses.

oh, and dont skip class!
 
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