Captain Ron
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GSequoia said:
I would help you out, but I'm homeless right now.
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Israel, palestine, hezbolla
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I would help you out, but I'm homeless right now.
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Captain Ron said:What I find interesting is why are these methods not in favor today? Did we make some kind of advances as humans that alot of people are not aware of?
--ron
Well, they tried with the AIDS thing, but that isn't working as well as planned in that region... Too damn chaste.
There is still hope for the SARS and the bird flu...
LBEXJ
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Captain Ron said:
My father flew in those missions over Japan as a tail gunner in a B29. The few times he talked about those missions, I remember him commenting that, the day before those missions were to be conducted, flights were made dropping leaflet warning the citizens that the city would be burned to the ground the following day.
The goal was not killing civilians, but to exact destruction to large areas of industry, transportation, and supplies. The "terror" used in the term "Terror Missions" was not fear of losing your life per se, it was more fear of the power to destroy (ironically "mass destruction"). The civilian casualies were considered as unfortunate collaterial damage and efforts were made to lessen it.
Now the Atomic Bomb missions had slightly different goals, and I believe one of those was the killing of people. The rational was, the lives lost in these bombings would be less than the lives lost if the war continued. But still, the primary goal was to show that the United States had the power and destruction capability. There was a lot of anguish and debate over the decision to use the bomb because of the lives involved.
Maybe this happened this way ... maybe not. Could be that this is the way history was recorded make the these missions seem more one with more conventional military goals. But this is my understanding of these particular events.
Les
BTW: The United States Armed Forces did not hide behind civilians to do this either. But the Revolutionary Army hid behind trees back in those days! That was considered unconventional military tactics.
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Ramsey said:
And entire group is represented by the company they keep and who they let operate among them.
I am sure there are good people there. I am sure that there are probably enough of them to overtrow a party that could only get around 12% of the seats in parliment. I am sure if they were actively trying to fight the terrorists and eliminate them the US would be making sure they get enough supplies..... we have a long history of that and lots of training to do so.
They say there are 25,000 US citizens there.... I could take that whole place with 25,000 troops.
Have I been there when Israel was shelling? nope, but I have been shelled....... by miliant islamists.
Root Moose
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Captain Ron said:Did we make some kind of advances as humans that alot of people are not aware of?
Yes, now we look into the future as to the "fall out" of not being able to set up a KFC or McDs on the bombed spot right away.
Ramsey said:
I was waiting for this quote...
Yes
I do blame the entire group of people... Now I ask you to go read the list... for the first time... when you are done, I ask you:
where is the outrage from the muslim world? do you hear any muslim country condem any of these acts? no you dont, because they approve... and I say again... at what point do you fight back...
Ron, to answer your comments... I believe if there attacks continue to increase in scale... you will see that kind of action again... but it may be hard to get stone houses to burn like wood ones...
RichP
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IMORTL said:
Lets qualify that a bit, 'Do you read or hear any NEWS reports of muslim countries condem any of these acts, I for one believe half of what I read in the news, look over some of the muslim sites where you will get some of the other half and you'll read a different story, those people are not liken this atall. As some of my co-workers have commented 'They're nuckin futs' over there, more than a few of my co-workers are muslim... Now granted, the mullahs are in a power position now that they have not been in for over a thousand years and it really started when iran took the US embassy and that whole hostage thing. Iran is the main cause of all this going on and my guess is this latest thing with the hezbolla and hamas vs israel is going to be the straw that goes in the iranian camels ass. Personally if I was in Iran and couldn't leave the country I'd move out of and upwind of Tehran and Isfahan as well as staying well away from iranian ammo and ordanance storage facilities...and the airports...
You start reading about some of the stuff that the IDF is doing, they are basically putting a stop to any incoming trucking to prevent them getting more rockets and it won't be long before they head for the source. Just my view..
Iran is not the only Muslim Country...RichP said:
Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Brunei
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Burkina Faso
Chad
Comoros
Cote D'Ivoire
Djibouti
Egypt
Ethiopia
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Libya
Malaysia
Mali
Morocco
Niger
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Sierra Leone
Somalia
Sudan
Syria
Tajikistan
Tunisia
Turkey
United Arab Emirates
Uzbekistan
Yemen
Zanzibar
RichP
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Oh I know that but I firmly believe Iran is the main instegator here, providing funding and weapons, stuff they were alot more careful about handing out when sadam was in power, basically Tehran and Bagdad kept each other in check [we shoulda left sadam alone this last time except for the occasional upside the head 500lb'er] at least thats how I saw it. As for afganistan, no real choice but we shoulda totally cleaned it up before we bit iraq off. Personally I still think a blanket midnite run of laser guided muntions in a single nites raid around midnite would solve alot of problems though collatoral damage would be high as alot of them are used as ammo dumps...IMORTL said:
RichP said:
as in women and children?
let's get one thing clear... WAR IS HORRIBLE! It is probably the most aweful thing man ever invented... that being said... Sometimes war is unavoidable... when it is, make sure the other guy dies for his country (para phrased from Patton)
and my question still stands... why not condemnation from the other countries that Iran doesnt speak for them... ?????
someone else said -- "there will be no peace in the middle east until Muslim women love their children more than they hate Jews"... I believe there is a woman in the Palastinian govt. that was elceted because she had 3 sons as suicide bombers. and has 7 more ... and says "god willing they will too"...
BRIANHO13
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hezbolla is using this whole situation to recruit more terrorists, and Al jezera (sp) is running the adds non stop.
I think we need to take out Al Jezera as well.
I think we need to take out Al Jezera as well.
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BRIANHO13 said:
This is another ignorant statement. Al Jazera is not an enemy, in fact those same muslim fanatics hate Al Jazera because they feel they are pushing the Jewish agenda. AJ is just another news outlet, of course they have less of a western slant as they're in the east. Don't think they're a terrorist orginization though or you are guilty of painting with a really wide brush.
ONe more thing...
Why do they gotta call themselves Hezbolla? It's such a happy sounding name!
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Or the Communist News Network.
BRIANHO13
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IMORTL said:
No I meant al Jazera, the same news organization that runs recruiting for hezbolla and al queda.
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goodburbon
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This was too good to pass up from the same page.
The article intended to be referenced was a step in the right direction. I also heard that some lebanese are fighting hezbollah. Go get em guys! I am all for this one being solved internally, too bad it took so much outside pressure.
RichP
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goodburbon said:
I hope the IDF takes advantge of this and starts supplying them and drops a few fire support people in there to provide some 'heavy metal'... I also agree 'go get em, clean them out, get closer ties with israel and hunt terrroist groups down with the same zeal you root for the world soccer championships'...
RichP
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goodburbon said:
Gregory is and always was a wacko. Probably wears one of those alumium firesuits and tin hat when no ones looking..
