Is Vladimir Putin a Democrat or Republican?

Ecomike said:
I think the Geogrians, Russians, Iranians, and the USA ....Et. al., are doing a good enough job of stirring the pot, they probably don't need my help!:rolleyes:
WHat are they doing on NAXJA? BTW I don't think the Georgians had any say in the matter...
I did not want to prejudice the answers of others with my initial thoughts, just yet! :gag:
Don't worry we don't pay attention to your thoughts on politics anymore...;)
I think Bush repeatedly and vocally left the nuclear option open for attacking Iran, Iraq and N. Korea, ever since 9/11, even as a pre-emptive strike option!

I could dig up references and proof of his statements if any one thinks I need to?
Yes, I think you should
 
BIgDaddyChia said:
Seriously, Who uses prop planes to drop bombs.

losers who can't afford jets, lolz
 
BIgDaddyChia said:
But that cant be true. Your a deuchebag and ur not a republican.
There are exceptions to every rule.

And what exactly is a "deuchebag"? Oh I see, you're from Texas. Never mind.
 
TRNDRVR said:
There are exceptions to every rule.

And what exactly is a "deuchebag"? Oh I see, you're from Texas. Never mind.

Easy there now, speaking of exceptions, the Texas Democrats are about take back the great state of Texas this November.. It will be a surprize attack, :laugh3: they won't even see it coming. :D

:peace:
 
Ecomike said:
Easy there now, speaking of exceptions, the Texas Democrats are about take back the great state of Texas this November.. It will be a surprize attack, :laugh3: they won't even see it coming. :D

:peace:

Fat chance on that happening. Rick Perry For President.
 
Did any one notice that it said the Russians were test firing Cruise missiles over the Airctic? I was wondering when and how the Russians got cruise missiles.
 
91 Jeep Project said:
"Russian and Chinese special forces are currently on joint counter-terrorism exercises, further evidence of their growing military relationship"

Communist what?

The US was scheduled this week for the same joint counter-terrorism exercises with the Russians, but we cancelled.
 
Ecomike said:
Did any one notice that it said the Russians were test firing Cruise missiles over the Airctic? I was wondering when and how the Russians got cruise missiles.


They've sent in 1 bazillion box tops and redeemed their prize.
 
None of the above, he's KGB.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/greens-protest-at-russian-embassy-over-assassinations-64022.html

Russia is in a great position right now. The EU relies heavily (25% ave, some as high as 90%) on Russia for oil and natural gas, supplied by Gazprom, the goverment run supplier. Kind of puts many of our NATO "allies" in a very compromising position.

Zoom out to 100,000 feet and connect the dots..............

Muslim Extremist focus on the destruction of the US and all who are our friends.
Europe becomes reliant on Russia for petroleum. Iran is buying nuclear material from Russia. Iran commits to erase Isreal from the face of the Earth and jump start Armegeddon. China and Russia have aligned themselves economically and militarily. Russia supplies the majority of China's energy. Russia makes another large arms deal with Venezuala and negotiates an exclusive oil exploration deal for Venezualan reserves. Chavez commits to "put an end to the dollar".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/2446112/Russia-and-Venezuela-in-deal-to-counter-'US-aggression'.html
Mexican invaders are allowed to take residence in the US and drain our resources. US government turns a blind eye to the invasion. Mexico is the 2nd largest importer of oil to the US. The forces of evil that are in control of these countries rule with blood and horror, oppress and exploit their own citizens for increased power and wealth.

Socialists (enviro-terrorists) have been successful in lobbying (bribing) our Legislative branch to prevent the exploration of US oil reserves, coal and nuclear energy expansion and now the latest target is wind power.

The United States of America has a target on it and is being attacked both externally and from within.

It's pretty simple, we either wake up and take back our country from the government and the Socialist movement or just sit back and watch the pieces fall into place.........
 
Ecomike said:
I think Bush repeatedly and vocally left the nuclear option open for attacking Iran, Iraq and N. Korea, ever since 9/11, even as a pre-emptive strike option!

I know there have been speeches where he said he would use every weapon available, but I can't find anything where he actually said he would use nuclear weapons.

Putin is a commie, that dude was KGB. He was part of the 5th Directorate, which was responsible for dealing with political dissents.:hang:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB#The_Directorates

Anyone else notice that with Russia hunkered down in Georgia that it gives that an straight shot into Iran? All that stands between them and thier Persian allies are Armenia.
"In its 2008 Nations in Transit report, Freedom House categorized Armenia as a "Semi-consolidated Authoritarian Regime" (along with Moldova, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, andRussia) and ranked Armenia 20th among 29 nations, with a "Democracy Score" of 5.21 out of 7 (with 7 having the lowest democratic progress)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia#Government_and_politics

Seems Armenia is pals with Russia, and they don't like Turkey, to the West, and Azerbaijan, to the East, which are both considered US allies.

I think Russia is getting a little paranoid that we are going to attack Iran.

I do find it pretty interesting that Russia was out flying those crop dusters so close to everyones airspace. If the Norweigians felt they needed to throw up so F16s to watch them it must've been a bit more worrysome. Hell the Brits put up an AWACS, and a refueler.
But not to worry we got some missiles that can take those POS down pretty quickly.
 
Some more interesting background on Putin and the isues:

http://www.independent.ie/national-...in-for-the-big-chill-at-g8-summit-692718.html

"Why is hostility to the West so popular in Russia? Let us try to look at the West through Russian eyes. Despite all the past sentimental rhetoric of Western politicians describing Russia as a friend and "strategic partner", US and European behaviour has consistently treated Russia more as an enemy than an ally.
Russia has been told it could never join Nato or the EU and Mr Putin's invitation to G8 summits is scant consolation for the denial of WTO membership and the continuation of US trade sanctions dating back to the Cold War.
On human rights and extrajudicial assassinations, Russia's record may be deplorable, but its abuses pale in comparison with those of Western friends such as Saudi Arabia and China, not to mention President Bush's "boil them in oil" ally, Uzbekistan.
But far more serious from the Russian standpoint than any diplomatic conflicts is what the West has done to their country's territorial integrity. Ever since the first Bush Administration undermined Mikhail Gorbachev by denying him the financial assistance of the International Monetary Fund and then encouraged the dissolution of the Soviet Union under Boris Yeltsin, the West has appeared, at least from Moscow's standpoint, to seize every opportunity to weaken, isolate and encircle Russia.
Not only has Russia lost its Eastern European satellites, but the homeland itself has been dismembered. No reasonable Russian could object to the independence of Poland, Hungary and even the Baltic states, which were forcibly annexed into the Soviet Union after the Second World War. But the loss of The Ukraine, Belarus, the Caucasus and central Asia are a different matter. These areas - or at least large swaths of them - were integral parts of the Russian "motherland" long before Texas and California belonged to the United States. For Russians, the separation with Ukraine and Belarus in particular is at least as emotionally wrenching as Basque secession would be to Spain.
While Westerners see Russian resentment about these territorial losses as a throwback to 19th-century imperialist thinking, what Russians see a powerful and wealthy empire expanding steadily on their Western border and swallowing all the intervening countries, first into the EU's economic and political arrangements and then into the Nato military structure.
Embraces
Is it so very unreasonable to view this EU-Nato juggernaut as the world's last remaining expansionist empire, or even the natural successor to previous German and French expansions that were considerably less benign?
Western politicians may ridicule such fantasies as Russian nationalist paranoia. But why shouldn't the Russians worry about Western armies and missiles on their borders, when these contribute to a process of territorial encroachment similar to what Napoleon and Hitler failed to achieve by cruder means?
America and Europe, regardless of their warm words about Russia, are treating it as an enemy, taking every opportunity to cut it down to size."


http://www.independent.ie/world-new...sia-see-eye-to-eye-on-us-policies-108847.html


"But while they are in agreement over major international issues, their economic ambitions are causing increasing friction.
Mr Putin made a preliminary agreement for a gas pipeline from Russia to China, but offered only a feasibility study for an oil pipeline, which is China's real priority.
Economic
Beijing wants a commitment from Russia to build a pipeline into China guaranteeing it the oil supplies on which it is more and more dependent to feed its economic boom. Russia has delayed a decision for two years, torn between China's demands and the blandishments and money of Japan, which also wants access to Russian energy.
China's leaders will be pleased to see Mr Putin has brought with him his energy minister, resources minister, the heads of the state oil and gas firms Rosneft and Gazprom, and the head of its nuclear power programme.
Meanwhile, Russia is critical of China for its failure to reciprocate with investment in Russia, and accused China's businessmen of "numerous violations of customs, tax, currency laws and the passport-visa regime".
Jin Canrong, professor of international relations at Beijing's People's University, warned against over-reacting to the tactical alliance of the two leaders.
"Now that China considers itself to be a member of the international community, it has more regular dialogue with the main countries in the world," he said. "I don't think it's necessary [for the United States] to be concerned." (©Daily Telegraph, London)
 
fscrig75 said:
I know there have been speeches where he said he would use every weapon available, but I can't find anything where he actually said he would use nuclear weapons.


I do believe "every available weapon" includes the worlds largest Nuclear arsenal. It was Bush Jr's refusal to take a first strike option off the table that concerned me too. That leaves the world thinking we are willing to take a first strike nuclear option as a serious option for us. Then you add in our almost unilateral attack on Iraq and its no wonder the Russians are pissed off. Seems we made many promises to the Russians in the early 90s that we have reniged on. Its also no wonder the Iranians are pissed off and scared enough to be seeking their own nukes, besides the fact that they hate Israel and want to see it glow it the dark.

fscrig75 said:
Putin is a commie, that dude was KGB. He was part of the 5th Directorate, which was responsible for dealing with political dissents.:hang:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB#The_Directorates

Ding Ding Ding! You are correct! But then again President Bush Sr. was the head of the CIA, Bush Jr's father.

Don't get me wrong, I just know that we need to look at both or all sides of the issue, to truely understand what is going on, who is on first, what is second and so on.

fscrig75 said:
Anyone else notice that with Russia hunkered down in Georgia that it gives that an straight shot into Iran? All that stands between them and thier Persian allies are Armenia.
"In its 2008 Nations in Transit report, Freedom House categorized Armenia as a "Semi-consolidated Authoritarian Regime" (along with Moldova, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, andRussia) and ranked Armenia 20th among 29 nations, with a "Democracy Score" of 5.21 out of 7 (with 7 having the lowest democratic progress)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia#Government_and_politics

Seems Armenia is pals with Russia, and they don't like Turkey, to the West, and Azerbaijan, to the East, which are both considered US allies.

I will read up on that shortly, thanks for the post. Turkey has been treading water with everyone since before the Iraq invasion. I was wondering at one point, since Russia says it does not want a nuke armed Iran, if the US and Russia weren't pretending to be on opposite sides while Russia moved closer to Iran through Georgia, but what I have read recently indicates that there have been multiple antagonistic treaty and arms sale deals in the last few years by Russia and the US that seemed to be aimed at pissing each other off. One upmanship over control of oil, and local sphere of influence back stabbing.

Did you know that Russia applied for membership in NATO and was turned down? They also applied for WTO membership and were turned down.

fscrig75 said:
I think Russia is getting a little paranoid that we are going to attack Iran.

You think? They are not the only ones that are paranoid about it. Iran is the worlds second largest oil exporter. A war in Iran right now would destabilize the entire world and the world economy.

fscrig75 said:
I do find it pretty interesting that Russia was out flying those crop dusters so close to everyones airspace. If the Norweigians felt they needed to throw up so F16s to watch them it must've been a bit more worrysome. Hell the Brits put up an AWACS, and a refueler.
But not to worry we got some missiles that can take those POS down pretty quickly.

I am guessing they were just out out on crop dusting manuvers!:fuse:

All it takes is one nuke to get through to make a hell of a mess.
 
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