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Is this a re-labeled Hesco Head?

Probably the same - I'd bet that neither Hesco or Patriot is casting the head - somebody else is!
 
A year, maybe two years ago, weren't some folks from the Strokers' e-group talking to a company about casting up some aluminum 4.0L heads? I'd guess this head is the result of those discussions. Unfortunately, I don't recall the name of the company, but 5-90 might. I think he was part of that discussion.
 
I think it was around 1Q2002. The longish discussion (which I think I still have on file - Ed Stevens was big into it, and so was Dr. Dyno!) I finally printed, sorted, and took to Russ Flagle at Indy Cylinder Heads in Indianapolis while I was in the area visiting family - but nothing came of it that I'd heard, and I'd considered the project "withered on the vine" until HESCO released their head - with, it seems, a lot of the mods we'd talked about. Makes me wonder just how long Bennie Fulps (HESCO) has been lurking before I noticed him...

5-90

Eagle said:
A year, maybe two years ago, weren't some folks from the Strokers' e-group talking to a company about casting up some aluminum 4.0L heads? I'd guess this head is the result of those discussions. Unfortunately, I don't recall the name of the company, but 5-90 might. I think he was part of that discussion.
 
Either way, give credit where credit is due. Hesco is usually on the leading edge when it comes to 4.0L performance and actually had the balls to produce the head.
 
I think that IS the same head that Hesco are selling and they're not the only ones who are selling it either. We now have Hesco, Patriot Performance, and Bramer Machine selling a Jeep 4.0/4.2 aluminium head. Here are the links to all three so you can make a comparison:

Hesco
Patriot Performance
Bramer Machine

It's no coincidence that the head that all three are selling shares exactly the same features, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's Indy Cylinder Heads who are casting it.
We should be so lucky. Let's hope they have a price war so we can pick one up cheaply. ;)
 
Interesting...

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Wonder who actually designed this head and who's just selling it. Rusty has it on his site but doesn't mention Hesco, even though it's the same photo as Hesco's uses on it's site.

Might have to call Bennie tomorrow. :)
 
Its great that someone did it. but i'm not big on hesco. and i'm pretty sure the heads are done by indy. too bad the didn't have a 4 cly version but thats an even crazier idea.
 
$1500 for 25 HP = $60.00 per 1 HP gain.......pretty steep ratio, hope the pricing comes down a little.
 
XJZ said:
Interesting...

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Wonder who actually designed this head and who's just selling it. Rusty has it on his site but doesn't mention Hesco, even though it's the same photo as Hesco's uses on it's site.


Kinda like how the JB, AA, and PORC HD SYE's are all EXACTLY the same........... :shhh:
 
XJEEPER said:
$1500 for 25 HP = $60.00 per 1 HP gain.......pretty steep ratio, hope the pricing comes down a little.

Guess I'm just reiterating here....

The more total h.p./torque you try to squeeze out of your motor, the more it's going to cost. Period.

Granted you can get 30 h.p. (approx.) out of a good set of headers for much less cash, but where do you squeeze when you can't squeeze any more? These heads getting a stroked inline 6 up to 300 h.p. on pump gas sounds pretty darn good to me.

But you're right, I'm all for the price coming down! :)
 
I am not sure but i think clifford is listing an aluminum head for the 4.0/4.2L like 1500$ I wouldn't be suprised at all if only one company is casting them and everyone else is throwing their name on it.
 
But Clifford's verbage is different then the others, plus it has over-sized valves and the others don't.

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*New High Flow, Cast Aluminum Cylinder Head.
17-0020 Cast Aluminum 258-4.0 Cylinder Head

Quantity in Basket: none
Code: 4A2CH
Price: $1,395.00

Shipping Weight: 60.00 pounds



Quantity:

All new Aluminum Cylinder Head w/oversized Valves, made to fit all 258 & 4.0 applycations. Your new Clifford Cylinder Head includes Stainless Steel oversized Valves, Performane Springs w/Dampers, HD Valve Locks. It is also included on our Blueprinted Long blocks. at $3,700.00 + $200.00 Block core charge. This is how to establish big Torque and power never seen in your Jeep. Couple this with our Peformance Intake, Headers, Cams & Programmable Fuel Injection and we will blow your mind. NO STOCK MODIFIED EQUIPMENT WILL ADD THIS KIND OF POWER TO YOUR JEEP!!!! Read our information on the Fuel Injection system and you will agree that Clifford has the best Equipment for your Inline Engine.
 
XJZ said:
Guess I'm just reiterating here....

The more total h.p./torque you try to squeeze out of your motor, the more it's going to cost. Period.

Granted you can get 30 h.p. (approx.) out of a good set of headers for much less cash, but where do you squeeze when you can't squeeze any more? These heads getting a stroked inline 6 up to 300 h.p. on pump gas sounds pretty darn good to me.

But you're right, I'm all for the price coming down! :)




BWahahaha! 30hp from headers? 5hp if you're lucky. Anyway, yes, 30hp for $1500, but you are also losing 30lbs off the front end! That's awesome. And the potential to make much more power is there. These are not a bad deal now, and they will come down in price in the future, and become even better.
 
Guess I'm talkin' complete exhaust, headers high-flow cat, cat back on a relatively stock XJ (mfg. numbers, you're results may vary :D ) with an apple stuffed in the tailpipe.

But that just further illustrates the fact that these are great heads and not all that bad a deal.
 
As to the diffrent verbage in the clifford ad I have 2.02/1.60 valves in my renix head so i know they fit just fine, it takes some porting and a bigger tb to gain much from the big valves. If and alum head had been around when i did my 4.0 i would have given it a look even at 1,395$. my .02
" yes it is hot in Iraq"
 
REDXJ4FUN said:
Its great that someone did it. but i'm not big on hesco. and i'm pretty sure the heads are done by indy. too bad the didn't have a 4 cly version but thats an even crazier idea.

I'd buy that for a dollar!
 
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