Is it just me?

Bent

SoCal Chapter President
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It can't be. It just seems that every time, EVERY single time I change the oil in a differential it's a flipping mess. Today could be no different. Granted it's the first time for a 9", but the diffs with removable covers are not much different. Truth of the matter is that draining was actually less messy than the the three Danas I did a couple of weeks ago. Pumping the oil out left me no opportunity to smack the cover with the mallet one time too many, knocking it completely loose and gear oil going everywhere but in the drain pan. :doh: I'm willing to accept that I'm a klutz and as such should wear used oil.

I have got to be missing something with the refilling process though. Funnel? Not me. I do not believe that God intended man to invent one that actually transfers more than 70% of what goes in the top. I think that covered in the laws governing hydraulics, right up there with you can't compress a liquid. I guess there is the squeeze bottle approach, but no; foiled by two other natural laws. Economics and the law of hand cramping. The only other option I can come up with is the trusty hand pump on the jug. This method is an exercise in futility for anyone beyond puberty. The mess in this method lies not in the transfer of fluids into the differential but putting the fool thing away. Moving the pump from one jug to another is yet more opportunity for the oil in the hose or the pump (as it pulls apart) to end up everywhere. Don't even think about minimizing the splattering of the petroleum once it flying about. Such an attempt will only increase the problem exponentially; this is not a time for cat like reflexes.

Am I missing out on some secret tool, technique or handshake for such a seemingly simple task? For crying out loud, all ya gotta do is get three quarts of liquid into a great big pan and then back through a hole. Shooting fish in a barrel. It's a straight shot, no filters, no hoses or wires in the way, no nothing. Is it really just me? Only me? Can't be, there's got to be some secret I'm missing out on. This is all just some cruel joke on some poor neat freak, huh?


OK, I'm all better now. :laugh3:
 
YEP, It's just you. :banghead: No not really. I have the same problem sometimes. Just remember practice makes perfect. You need to do this once a day for one month. After that you won't spill a single drop. JIM.
 
I'm to the age now, when I can send my son under there, give him a few pointers, like leave a couple of the top side bolts in the cover loosely and watch him ignore my suggestion, hit the cover with a plastic mallet while prying with a big screwdriver and watch him get covered in oil. Then able to laugh myself silly, when I see two white eyes in a mask of GO 90. Been there done that. Though I still manage to drop the drain plug from the motor, in the oil catch pan, about half the time, or have the oil run all the way down my arm into my armpit, so I can't laugh too loud.
 
You have to remember to weld on your dif cover.:laugh3:
 
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As far as the draining, it takes a little practise. I find it helpful to use only a paper gasket, with little to no RTV (which gives you some more control over pulling the cover off - and I take the fill plug out so I have a finger hole to use to pull the cover loose.)

Filling? Plews (and others, I'm sure) makes this nifty little tool called a "Suction Gun." It uses the same body as the grease guns, but the piston has a nice rubber seal, and it just has a length of clear vinyl hose instead of the grease line. Suck up one pint of fluid, move hose, press plunger. Repeat until full. Works at virtually any angle.

Cost? Should be in the $10-15 range. Worth it? Oh, Hell yes! I've got two... Also works well on manual gearboxes and transfer cases...

5-90
 
Sorry 5-90, be a cold day in hell when I'll agree to spend any amount of time under my Jeep (or any vehicle) sucking up fluid (spilling some) and squirting it into the hole- even worse are the pumps that have you there pumping 1/2 oz at a time for an hour.

Hence the oil bong.



Works great for axles, t-case, tranny... It has a large metal threaded hook permanently attached so I hang it somewhere conveinent, make the line taut, invert a bottle of lube and walk away.
 
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I gotta agree with 5-90. First hand pump I bought put more oil on the ground than in the diff. Then I splurged and bought a quality one. Nary a drop since...
 
red91inWA said:
It's the secret handshake....

That's what I thought all along!

red91inWA said:
....contact the FORD 9" club for more information. :D

They said they won't tell me because of some Jeep thing.


bajacalal said:

Talk about product recognition. They have 'em at the Head Shop?
 
I've got a foot long chunk of hose I put on the bottle and use the bottle itself as a pump. No mess, way more control. Using the bong, you will have a ton of gear oil in the line when it's time to stop filling, making a potential huge mess. Leave one bolt up top, gently tap the cover with a hammer til it comes loose, and you are golden. I had one messy diff lube change then I wised up quick. Gear oil sucks.
 
Blu Yak- Thanks, guys I guess you realized where the inspiration came from. I've had the lube bong for years. Feel free to copy.

JeffsJeep04- its really a couple ounces left in the line. Its the least messy way I have found to do it. I try to hang the funnel so the line is not only taut but also has a downward slope. The drain pan used to drain the diff stays under the diff so if oil flows over, its caught and then I just pull the tube after its empty of fluid or even if its full I put my finger over it, hang it on the wall and let it drain into the trash can. Usually after about 30 its pretty much dry. Its really no messier than pumping- if you pump it you still have a neoprene hose to deal with afterward and you leave some fluid in the bottom of each bottle. Of course, you noticed where the Jeep is parked its pretty hard dirt so I really don't care if I spill fluid. I still haven't spilled even a drop of fluid with the bong. Usually, it fills just perfectly full since I have a capacites chart + 2 oz in the line. The important part is I go do something more enjoyable instead of filling the diff.

Bent - No, I'm not a big user of bongs, either the smoking of beer variety ;)
 
how about a gear oil pump...
just screw it onto the bottle and pump away

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or you could always siphon the oil in if you dont wanna pay to 5 bucks :laugh3: :laugh3:
 
I've been using that "bong" style at home for a few years now too. It really is the easiest way. You just have to know what you are doing. If you know how much gear oil your diff takes, just use that much. Then check the level. If you wait until gear oil comes out the check hole, then yes, you will make a mess.

As for draining. I pull all the bolts, except the one on either side of the pumpkin. I loosen them, and use a screwdriver or a puddy knife to cut the gasket and pry it loose. All the gear oil pours straight out the bottom. When you have most of the oil out, I pull the cover and start the gasket removal and clean up.

As long as you have a catch pan, and you aren't a moron, ;) you can do the differential in about 10 minutes with no mess.
 
Yeah...you and Grant. :laugh3:
 
I used to have one of those pumps...they suck especially in colder weather.

Now all my gear and tranny fluids are filled from the bottle, I just make sure I save all the recloseable screw-on funnel-type tops from the gear oil. They fit the ATF bottles just as well, and are a quick way to refill diffs and t-cases (just keep the two separate or clean the cap real well). It's 0230...you expect a better description than that? :D
 
Gear oil in hair sucks.

So does transmission fluid.

You are not alone Tim!

Did you get any oil in them diffs for JV?
 
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