Important

How can I tell?

Should have a bar physically connecting the two switches, like this...

http://www.menards.com/main/mainten...ac-2-pole-circuit-breaker/p-1444444028904.htm

X2 for McMaster Carr. They have everything. I have a catalog, it's seriously 5" thick. But nevertheless, it's all online (with all specifications and cad drawings) I order pretty much all of my shop supply from them.

I usually get my deliveries next day, sometimes same day, no extra charge
 
So is the top and bottom breaker for the plug? Or just the one labeled generator?
 
That is a two pole breaker. If it says 60A then, assuming it is wired properly, it should be fine.
Yes on that also.
 
So I finally got to look at my panel. It has two switches for the "generator" plug. Each are labeled 60. I assume it's 60A for the both of them and not 120, right?
Just left my Do it Best hardware store getting a new water filter. I should have got my wall mount 220 plug there too but I forgot.

ok, so AC 101.

Coming into your service box there are three conductors.
2 hots and one neutral.

AC reads like a wave on an oscilloscope. So your voltage is the difference between the peaks and valleys. When you take a load to neutral that voltage is 110V.
When you combine the two loads you get 220V because the waves are opposite each other and now your distance between peaks is doubled.
and that's how single phase AC works in the simplest of terms.

I'd put a 50A plug on that circuit and rock out. How you wire it depends on the plug, but in general the hots are opposite sides and the neutral and ground are opposite top and bottom.
something like a 14-50 is what you're looking for at the hardware store.
that's 4 poles 50A 220V. Technically that's all kinds of wrong because your breaker is oversized. Whatever. Unless you want to change the plug on your welder to the 60A plug and buy a 60A receptacle. That would make sean happy.
14-50r.png

So that gives you a hot on each side, a ground in the top (image is upside down, ground to the top these days) and the neutral in the bottom. Ground is the bare copper/green, White is the neutral. Black wire goes to the brass terminal. Red goes opposite on the silver one. Done.
Check with a meter between the hots for 220 and from each hot to neutral for 110 before you plug in your welder.

edit:
here's a better picture
2008-04-19_142930_Dryer_Receptacle_wiring_4_wire.jpg
 
Last edited:
ok, so AC 101.

Coming into your service box there are three conductors.
2 hots and one neutral.

AC reads like a wave on an oscilloscope. So your voltage is the difference between the peaks and valleys. When you take a load to neutral that voltage is 110V.
When you combine the two loads you get 220V because the waves are opposite each other and now your distance between peaks is doubled.
and that's how single phase AC works in the simplest of terms.

I'd put a 50A plug on that circuit and rock out. How you wire it depends on the plug, but in general the hots are opposite sides and the neutral and ground are opposite top and bottom.
something like a 14-50 is what you're looking for at the hardware store.
that's 4 poles 50A 220V. Technically that's all kinds of wrong because your breaker is oversized. Whatever. Unless you want to change the plug on your welder to the 60A plug and buy a 60A receptacle. That would make sean happy.
14-50r.png

So that gives you a hot on each side, a ground in the top (image is upside down, ground to the top these days) and the neutral in the bottom. Ground is the bare copper/green, White is the neutral. Black wire goes to the brass terminal. Red goes opposite on the silver one. Done.
Check with a meter between the hots for 220 and from each hot to neutral for 110 before you plug in your welder.

edit:
here's a better picture
2008-04-19_142930_Dryer_Receptacle_wiring_4_wire.jpg

This ^
http://www.cerrowire.com/ampacity-charts
You are OK with a 60 amp breaker and a 50 amp plug as long as the wire from the breaker to the plug it the proper size. If it is copper the book says #6 THHN will is good to 65 amps. if it is aluminum, pull it out and throw it away. Aluminum wire brings firemen to your house. SLightly undersized wire is OK, here in Winnebago County you can install a 100 amp service using #4 even though it is rated for 85 amps. so unless it is aluminum, or someone has done something completely stupid, you will be OK with what you have. Open the panel and post a pic.
 
So I finally got to look at my panel. It has two switches for the "generator" plug. Each are labeled 60. I assume it's 60A for the both of them and not 120, right?
Just left my Do it Best hardware store getting a new water filter. I should have got my wall mount 220 plug there too but I forgot.



You need an electrician
 
I was thinking the same thing but didn't want to sound like a puss for not wanting to dive into this without help. Haha

Go get all of your shit. pick a day and I'll come down there and wire it for you.

if that wire is undersized I have some scrap #6 that will do the job, but you'll want to get some conduit to put it in. I'd do surface mount so it's clean looking.

be prepared for what that shit costs. it's rapey priced.

edit:
we won't even shut off the power, cause I like to live dangerous like that.
 
is just running a couple feet if that right? didnt you say the plug is right out of the box?

also if you look very closely those outlets sometimes are labeled hot, neutral, ground, if that makes you feel more confident
 
Back
Top