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[WB9YZU]

I'm not religious, and I am a parent. So your assumption is wrong get your head out of your a$$ and read between the lines Im agreeing with you so back off.
Sam
This is why they say dont talk about religion and politics people are really touchey on those subjects.

LOL!
If you are doing a "Tongue and cheek" statement, it is customary to apply the appropriate emoticons.

"Separation of Church and State" does not cover "Forced Praying" in school. It has been loosely interpreted to mean that, but it does not apply. In fact, Congress generally opens it's sessions with a prayer.

"Separation of Church and State" was meant to prevent the Church from involving itself in affairs of the Government. You have to realize when the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were drafted and what kind of Government they were freeing themselves of.

Prayer can be "forced" on a child, if the child is in a relegious educational school.
That really is a silly premise anyway as prayer comes from the heart and not the mouth.

Gil, a number of schools have opened that can of worms, because they had to. Muslims, for example need to pray X number of times a day. When allowed to do so, the other parents cried "no fair, my child should be allowed to pray", so to keep everyone happy, or atleast the parents, they let them. Then the Athiests cried "Separation of Church and State!" and it all came apart and no one was happy, except the Athiests.

Seems to me we spend more time appeasing some tiny special interest group somwhere and it ends up jaming things for everyone else

For a background, I am a non-practicing Roman Catholic. I respect others right to their religion, and even cotton to the notion that a healthy religious education never hurt anyone, least of all an Athiest because then they know what they are not believing in

 

[WB9YZU]

I think it would be an absolutely great idea to teach little Suzy Jesus in public schools, as long as you agree it is cool if we teach little Johnny Satan worship right next to her. Of course the Religious Studies class would be taught by Mohamed, and he would get to cut off anyone's hand if they stole a pencil.

:rof: :rof: :rof:

 

[Powerman]

How can you possibly teach Christianity in the same building where evolution is taught?

Religion belongs in churches and at home...

Not in school...

Well...

Unless you're a sheeple...

Then I guess you need a fictional overseer to guide you thru your daily moral and ethical dilemas...

Evolution! Haven't you heard, the jury is still out on that one. Now Intelligent Design... The Kansas jury is in, that has to be the real answer. It has "Intelligent" right in the title. Come on, what more do you need?

 

[Gil BullyKatz]

Evolution! Haven't you heard, the jury is still out on that one. Now Intelligent Design... The Kansas jury is in, that has to be the real answer. It has "Intelligent" right in the title. Come on, what more do you need?

Well...

We are talking about Kansas...

 

[Tom R.]

I agree the government shouldn't endorse any particular religion. Also, what was written in the original post uses a faulty appeal: that if God hadn't been taken out of the schools these children would still be alive. Sad.

What I find even more pathetic are the people who are using this thread to post their slander at those who believe in a deity. Alas, persecution (in the form of verbal harassment) carries on.

It's obvious some have a bone to pick with those of faith; otherwise, there wouldn't be the need for the immature comments.

You don't believe in a "higher power?" Fine, I won't ever get on your case about it. Why can't you do the same? Respect works both ways.

 

[Mutant_Xj]

Alright on this stupid post I have to call majos BS! The parents are ultimatly responsible for their childs actions period. Church and state have to be seperate its the reasone the pilgrams came here! And turning this thread into another religious battle over who fawked this country up is pathetic!! This country was created to try and keep everyone happy, granted its imposable but we're doing our best. And to cry over change in life is worthless cause thats what life is about, Learning to deal with BULL S*** so when you die you can move on to where ever the heck it is you believe you will go and be ready for what is there to face you.
If you want to cry about why our kids are so messed up start crying about our economy. Yeah theres one NOBODY ever blames! Did you ever wonder why everybody considers the 50's the golden era? Because the family could afford to be a family. One parent would work one parent would take care of the household and together they could be parents. Nowadays both parents have to work full time jobs busting their a$$es and getting next to nothing for it, Then come home cook, clean, make sure johnny gets a bath, suzie gets her home work done, Stress about how their isnt enough money to cover all the bills and still get groceries. And christmas is comming so we have to get the kids a whole lot of expensive toys because if johnny doesnt get the new ps3 and his friend does he'll think santa forgot about him.Blahh Blahh freakin Blahh.
So by the end of the day The parent gets to have a crappy night of sleep still thinking about how are they going to get by, only to wake up to the same crap tomarrow.

Man it sounds like they could use a vacation but hay they're broke and have you ever taken a family of four to Disney? So what do they have to look forward to Retirement? The way eveeryones benifits are being cut? Maybe they can rely on social security?

Do you see why Its hard being a model parent? Most people complain about kids either already raised theirs or are rich enough to enjoy life. Mean while Me and my wife are raising a girl thinking how are we ever going to afford college? We're still going to be paying off our own. And YES GOD is very easily for gotten in todays equation because the parents dont have time to think about a caring being who sees all and still lets the majority suffer.
I believe in God whole heartily but I can see why people forget about him. Because he made it that way. If he is all seeing allknowing all powerful he would have seen this comming and if he wanted to he would have stopped this but you know what he did HE LET IT HAPPEN.

GOD LET EVERY BAD THING IN THE WORLD HAPPEN! Not because he didnt care but because You need to learn from it!

If kids start blowing other kids heads off ask your self where they learned this from? Why would a child choose to act that way. Maybe because they grew in a world that blames everyone else for their problems. Instead of trying to fix thing they just snapped and lashed out.

Instead of blaming atheists for the way our kids are dig deeper, open your eyes, and try to fix the problem instead of finding some one to atack for starting the problem

 

[JohnX]

When coropal punishment for kids when out the window thats when kids started to go postal.

That was exactly the point. Read it over.

 

[Powerman]

Come on Tom R., that street goes both ways. You're right to a point. We could calm down and just move on, but so could the poster. We live in a Christian country. There is a church on every corner. It isn't a big secret. When a guy posts a politically charged, religious piece on a forum, he opens himself up to whatever comes.:explosion

If someone posts their experience with their God, like... "I love wheeling in the mountains cause I feel closer to my God", or "something bad happened and I pray that God helps them"... then cool. I can relate to both and more. However, when you post a letter from "God" and at the end say that if I don't believe this, I can't dare comment on the state of this nation. Uh, I don't think so. I'll comment however I please, it's a forum. Peace

 

[Tom R.]

To a degree the OP did open himself up.

I think the OP's message uses faulty logic and makes the wrong kind of appeal. I think the message is misguided. However, that doesn't make it okay to make snide comments about all Christians.

 

[dbltapp]

People in this country are entitled by freedom of religion to believe in whatever crap they want to believe in...

and I support their right.

I do not support or believe in influencing/ministering/preaching any or one religion over any other in any public/state/federal school.

Their entitled to their beliefs as I am to mine.

Just because their beliefs are more common/popular doesn't make them right.

The people that founded this country came here avoiding religious persecution and is exactly why there shouldn't be any preferences/exemptions for any religions...

hence the separation of church and state.

"If your kid is allowed to pray... mine should be allowed to worship as well"

wanna open that can?

p.s. Happy Winter Solstice!!!

I guess I should have been more clear, by "crap" I meant the nonsense in the original post. I agree, people have the right to believe in whatever they want, and as a member of the military I fight for that right. I get upset when people push there beliefs on others, and say that belief in there religion can solve everything. Like I said before, religion is the number one cause of war and suffering, and persecution in the world, throughout history, and thats a fact. Kinda like evolution and dinosours.

 

[red91]

Okay Ill bite...seperation of church and state thats why religion has been taken out of school.
Sam

OK Sam...Lets play this game....If there is supposed to be a seperation of church and state, why do quite a few schools allow "religious" services on their campus on Sunday?

I find it moronic that those that preach seperation of church and state are usually the ones in the bleachers at a school on Sunday.

Maybe it's ok to do it then becuase the janitorial staff isn't working...

 

[Ghost]

This thread sucks without Jesus pictures. I believe kids should be beaten into submission like I was. :gee: as for religion, its kinda neat how god created us in "his own image," I think what they meant was we created god to look like us. :dunce:

 

[red91]

What this thread needs is a rock band!!

 

[XJ Samo]

LOL!
If you are doing a "Tongue and cheek" statement, it is customary to apply the appropriate emoticons.

"Separation of Church and State" does not cover "Forced Praying" in school. It has been loosely interpreted to mean that, but it does not apply. In fact, Congress generally opens it's sessions with a prayer.

"Separation of Church and State" was meant to prevent the Church from involving itself in affairs of the Government. You have to realize when the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were drafted and what kind of Government they were freeing themselves of.

Prayer can be "forced" on a child, if the child is in a relegious educational school.
That really is a silly premise anyway as prayer comes from the heart and not the mouth.

Gil, a number of schools have opened that can of worms, because they had to. Muslims, for example need to pray X number of times a day. When allowed to do so, the other parents cried "no fair, my child should be allowed to pray", so to keep everyone happy, or atleast the parents, they let them. Then the Atheists cried "Separation of Church and State!" and it all came apart and no one was happy, except the Atheists.

Seems to me we spend more time appeasing some tiny special interest group somwhere and it ends up jaming things for everyone else

For a background, I am a non-practicing Roman Catholic. I respect others right to their religion, and even cotton to the notion that a healthy religious education never hurt anyone, least of all an Athiest because then they know what they are not believing in

I'm agnostic not atheist. Look it up.
Thanks. But I'm done with this thread I pity those who seem to think they can listen to opposing points of view but obviously cant.
Sam

 

[gigage]

OK. Let say for the sake of argument that you have some good points.
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You missed a big one.
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P a r e n t s

x2!! When parents stopped doing their job, it opened the door for all the busy bodies to step in.

 

[Powerman]

However, that doesn't make it okay to make snide comments about all Christians.

I can agree with that.:angel:

 

[Tom R.]

Like I said before, religion is the number one cause of war and suffering, and persecution in the world, throughout history, and thats a fact. Kinda like evolution and dinosours.

You're very naive. Provide a source for that please.

What some do in the name of religion doesn't mean it was religion that caused war. Very often religion is used as a motivator for succeeding in war, but it's hardly the reason for war. War is usually a matter of economics, power, influence and trade. And self-preservation is a common reason for many.

Just look at most wars of the 20th century, for example, which were started by people who believed in atheism and secularism. We don't say that these wars were caused by atheism and secularism, do we? The same goes for wars that certainly have some kind of religious influence. Most religions do not advocate war, but they still get blamed by those who parrot this uninformed idea that "religion is the number one cause of war." In more simple terms, religions don't cause wars, people do.

Even a simple analysis will show you that religion itself is not the cause of most wars.

You got one thing right, although it's mispelled: that dinosaurs existed is a fact.

 

[riverfever]

I don't teach science anymore but I used to really make it a point to explain that certain concepts we would address in class were merely THEORIES. I would also let the students know that they didn't have to believe the theories but they just needed to be able to answer questions about them. Never had a problem.

During my first year teaching in this town I was amazed at how many parents called out teachers on the concepts that were being taught. Claims that evolution was being crammed down their kids throats. Had one lady tell me that she thought her son was being taught to accept homosexuality b/c a character in a book in Literature was gay. Most in this town are crazy religeous. I have other teachers that comment about me living in sin with my g/f, not attending services (why wouldn't you?). I also have teachers at work that comment about some of the boy students that look/dress very feminine (more here than at any other school I've taught at). They call them fags or talk about queers. I never understand how you could be a fawkin' teacher and have those views. Now I just tell everybody that I worship and pray to the beast. Everyone's keeping their distance now...so I got that goin' for me...which is nice.

 

[IXNAYXJ]

from a friend.....Kinda makes a point.....
WOW, WHAT A WAKEUP!

Dear God:

Why didn't you save the school children at ?. .

Sincerely,

Concerned Student

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Reply:

Dear Concerned Student:

I am not allowed in schools.

Sincerely,

God

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How did this get started?...

Blah, blah, blah

The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.

I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.

Lighthouses are more helpful then churches.

All thinking men are atheists.

-----Matt-----

 

[dbltapp]

You're very naive. Provide a source for that please.

What some do in the name of religion doesn't mean it was religion that caused war. Very often religion is used as a motivator for succeeding in war, but it's hardly the reason for war. War is usually a matter of economics, power, influence and trade. And self-preservation is a common reason for many.

Just look at most wars of the 20th century, for example, which were started by people who believed in atheism and secularism. We don't say that these wars were caused by atheism and secularism, do we? The same goes for wars that certainly have some kind of religious influence. Most religions do not advocate war, but they still get blamed by those who parrot this uninformed idea that "religion is the number one cause of war." In more simple terms, religions don't cause wars, people do.

Even a simple analysis will show you that religion itself is not the cause of most wars.

You got one thing right, although it's mispelled: that dinosaurs existed is a fact.

Actually it is naive to think otherwise! Starting from the crusades, all the way up to what is going on now in Africa, Middle East etc. There are far too many instances, do the research. Thank you , however for pointing out the spelling error,so I will return the favor. You misspelled,misspelled. You are correct people do start wars, usually in the name of religion.