Got to love public schools...

Stang5lgt

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So my oldest is in 3rd grade. He will be 9 this month. He is a good kid but looses his cool when under pressure and I think gets bored with class. Anyway read this letter my Mother in law wrote the school and you will get the jest of my beef. She works at a law office and sent it on there letter head. LOL





Dear Mr. Hardy,

Last evening I received a very disturbing phone call from my daughter Jennifer Jones, whose son Christian is a third grader in Ms. Kelsey Jones’ class. She was very upset, as was her husband Josh about the fact that Christian is being called “Little Napoleon” or just “Napoleon” by his teacher Ms. Jones, the Assistant Principal, Ms. Speidel and the School Psychologist ,Cristina Calabrese. The reference is from the movie “Napoleon Dynamite” and in this case, they and I find it extremely offensive to be referring to an 8 year old child in such a manner. At first Christian thought it was funny and complimentary; his parents do not. Christian, as you know, is a child who has special needs and did not understand that he was being made fun of. Now that he understands how has been treated he is very upset and this is taking an emotional toll on him. It is reprehensible that he had to learn that those very people he trusted to educate him have been laughing at him and making fun of him because of who he is. What a sad day for an 8 year old child and your learning institution.

Mr. Hardy, this behavior on the part of your faculty is nothing short of bullying. I have been doing a great deal of reading about your school policies and this is in direct violation of your District’s Safety Efforts which read: “ Psychological safety provides for the social-emotional well being of our students and works to create positive school climates through measures such as asset development, bullying prevention, Positive Behavior Supports, and early identification and intervention for at-risk students.” Where is the bullying prevention when it is the adults who are exhibiting the ‘bullying’ behavior?

Also, Mr. Hardy, your home page of your web site indicates that each morning your students recite the bully-proofing pledge: “ We will not bully other students. We will help others who are being bullied by speaking up and by getting adult help. We will use extra effort to include all students in activities in our school.” Thank you for teaching the children to not bully each other and to seek out an adult should that happen. What adult in your facility does a child seek help from a bullying instructor, vice-principal or school psychologist? I have done extensive research into your school board policies as well and am absolutely astonished that you do not condone this behavior by students but it is going on by the adults in your building.

Jennifer told me she had an emotional meeting with you this morning and was very grateful for the time and attention you took in speaking with her. She indicated your sincerity in forwarding an e-mail to those individuals she spoke to you about. I feel it is only appropriate that she, Josh, Christian and his younger brother Jaren, who is in first grade in your school, receive a written letter of apology, that Christian will receive verbal apologies from these individuals who he is told he is to obey and respect and there will be no recrimination against him or Jaren for Jennifer’s meeting with you today and bringing this to your attention.

Finally, I would suggest you take these individuals and walk down the hill from your building to the Garden of Kindness and discuss with them the emotional impact their unkind words have had on this special child and his family.
 
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Man that reminds me of when I used to get made fun of. But by the TEACHER that is not acceptable. I wonder if she is one of them younger style teachers. Still that is effed up man. and she knows he has special needs why would one do that? that is just unreal. I never made fun of kids when i started growing up. I would get picked on by people that i was friends with, weather it was about my name or what i was wearing. Just stupid. I would have to sit with that teacher and give her a piece of my mind
 
Go git-em Josh!

I pity the child who's best advocate is not his/her parents.
 
Teacher is only 23. But what about assistant prin and pyscho. It is pretty jacked up.

Yeah it is. one of my friends was getting yelled at by one of his teachers in 5th or 6th grade and he didn't like how she was talkin to him so he got up and pretty much threw a desk at her. Although he has a short temper which probably didn't help at all.
 
Obviously we don't know the full scoop on the story but I think it's more of a case that there are people in every line of professoin that don't deserve to be there. I work with lots of teachers that don't deserve the privilege of having their own classroom but they do and they get accolades for their efforts. Unfortunately, life takes all kinds. Sorry your son and family are having to deal with the situation Stang. As a special educator, I will say though that, it's a wonderful opportunity to look back on later in school and be grateful for those teachers that actually do give a shit and aren't there specifically for June, July, and August (they are out there) and your son will have them and they will motivate him to remember that and work extra hard for teachers that don't operate that way.
 
Obviously we don't know the full scoop on the story but I think it's more of a case that there are people in every line of professoin that don't deserve to be there. I work with lots of teachers that don't deserve the privilege of having their own classroom but they do and they get accolades for their efforts. Unfortunately, life takes all kinds. Sorry your son and family are having to deal with the situation Stang. As a special educator, I will say though that, it's a wonderful opportunity to look back on later in school and be grateful for those teachers that actually do give a shit and aren't there specifically for June, July, and August (they are out there) and your son will have them and they will motivate him to remember that and work extra hard for teachers that don't operate that way.
I agree with you. His 2nd grade teacher was good we never had a problem with him that year. And K and 1st were both great teachers too back in Iowa. This teacher has been a real pain in our butts since about half way into the year. She has sent my son home about 4 times cause she can't deal with him. So I can't understand why 3 good years then this year? Only thing changed was the teacher.
 
Yeah and I don't know the specific disability or the circumstances surrounding your child to speak to why there might be a sudden change in his behaviors while at school (that list is long and there really is a specific process for pinpointing exactly why a child exhibits a specific behavior...it's what I like doing the most about my job...I could sit and watch students' behaviors and analyze them for days on end).

Question though...when you say that he was sent home b/c SHE couldn't deal with his behaviors, are you implying that he received a formal suspension from school?
 
He has no disability other then he has lack of focus. Same problem I had when I was his age. I had to special needs classes when I was his age too. How I turned out is a matter of opinion. They say he has ADD. Which to me sorry if it offends you is a joke. You can't tell me you can put same generic material in front of kids and expect them to care to learn it. You have to make them want to or force them. I was forced to learn and focus growing up. Hell the principle gave the paddle in 3rd grade. I wish they still did that. Until child is able to rationalize why they should learn force or coercion must be used. He got sent to asst principle and she called us to come get him cause he refused to go back to class. That is how he got sent home. His teacher argues with him. I don't argue with him I tell him how it is and if he doesn't like too bad. And listens to me and I get no lip out of him. My wife is amazed how well he acts for me. He is a boy they did direction and discipline. His last 3 teachers had no problem giving him that. This teacher does.
 
He has no disability other then he has lack of focus. Same problem I had when I was his age. I had to special needs classes when I was his age too. How I turned out is a matter of opinion. They say he has ADD. Which to me sorry if it offends you is a joke. You can't tell me you can put same generic material in front of kids and expect them to care to learn it. You have to make them want to or force them. I was forced to learn and focus growing up. Hell the principle gave the paddle in 3rd grade. I wish they still did that. Until child is able to rationalize why they should learn force or coercion must be used. He got sent to asst principle and she called us to come get him cause he refused to go back to class. That is how he got sent home. His teacher argues with him. I don't argue with him I tell him how it is and if he doesn't like too bad. And listens to me and I get no lip out of him. My wife is amazed how well he acts for me. He is a boy they did direction and discipline. His last 3 teachers had no problem giving him that. This teacher does.

Maybe thats why I turned out so stupid haha. I had adhd, and i had to take pills for it which just made me a zombie when i was in class. I took em for a few years and then told my parents i feel better without em. Which is probably why i failed later on. I just didn't like taking them cause it was like i was a whole other person when i started taking em. And my parents didn't push me hard enough to actually wanna do the work.
 
My kid starting having problems in 3rd grade. In that he's better than me, my problems started in 1st grade. IMHO, many female grade school teachers have a hard time with boys. As we know, it's just not cool to be male anymore. My son is also diagnosed ADD. The medication does help him. I don't think the school environment is terribly fitting for a young boy, the meds help them get through it. Your son probably is bored, mine told me on his way to kindergarten, that he didn't need to go because he already knew everything after two years of pre-school.

My son at about that age became insufferable in the car. I stopped taking the family camping because it drove me nuts. After the diagnosis of ADD and taking the meds, he could sit in the car without driving us crazy.

I highly recommend ipods, and ipod touches as they get older to help keep them occupied. :)

So you know, I don't buy the arguments against medicating for ADD. Consciousness is nothing but chemistry, and everything we do modifies that chemistry, whether it's twiddling our thumbs or singing in church.

Fred
 
My kid starting having problems in 3rd grade. In that he's better than me, my problems started in 1st grade. IMHO, many female grade school teachers have a hard time with boys. As we know, it's just not cool to be male anymore. My son is also diagnosed ADD. The medication does help him. I don't think the school environment is terribly fitting for a young boy, the meds help them get through it. Your son probably is bored, mine told me on his way to kindergarten, that he didn't need to go because he already knew everything after two years of pre-school.

My son at about that age became insufferable in the car. I stopped taking the family camping because it drove me nuts. After the diagnosis of ADD and taking the meds, he could sit in the car without driving us crazy.

I highly recommend ipods, and ipod touches as they get older to help keep them occupied. :)

So you know, I don't buy the arguments against medicating for ADD. Consciousness is nothing but chemistry, and everything we do modifies that chemistry, whether it's twiddling our thumbs or singing in church.

Fred
Yeah they tired some meds on my kid. My kid is not hyper he is just the opposite. Real laid back and doesn't care. That is why the teachers thought there was something wrong with him.
 
ahh man, this brings back memorys, Of when my 3rd grade teacher back-handed me..

Getting him fired was awesome..

Then i had his wife as my 4th grade teacher..

that was not awesome..

/True story..
 
Oh how I love home school, I don't have to worry about any of the bs with teachers, principals other students or other parents. Real school without the drama. Next year will be our 5th year doing it.
I was home schooled for 4 years. I liked it other then missing out on sports, friends, and girls. No big lose though. When I started public again school my Junior year in High School I was already ahead of the other kids. And I was on the honor roll every semester tell I graduated HS.
 
Sorry to hear about your son!! It is moments like that when I would like to dish out some oldfasioned justice............... some people just need a really good asswhoopin to set things straight!!:D Sadly the damage done by that worthless teacher will always be there, children never forget things like that!! Seeing how you really can't open a can of whoopass, you should sue for emotional deress!!
 
that sucks man. You and Fred are both right -- my wife is a special ed teacher, and ADD is the most overdiagnosed sydrome out there, but there are still kids out there that really benefit from meds... my nephew is one, but it doesn't sound like you're son fits the typical ADHD profile that meds benefit. Does he have a IEP, and if so are you working with his special ed teacher to make sure the other teachers are on board with the IEP? My nephew had some similar, but not this bad, teachers who just lacked understanding of the impacts of their action... It's one thing for adults to laugh with adults at Napoleon Dynamite (one of my faves), its totally another for adults to tease a kid behind his back with such references... that blows.
 
He was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. Its a form of autism I guess. They thought it was ADD at first, tried to put him on Prozac and it made him worse. He was 7 then. He does have an IEP, Which we thought everyone was on board with. He just has his bad days like any other kid. But his teacher would rather send him to another room, to the principals office, or send him home instead of working with him. He cant help the way he is.
 
He has no disability other then he has lack of focus. Same problem I had when I was his age. I had to special needs classes when I was his age too. How I turned out is a matter of opinion. They say he has ADD. Which to me sorry if it offends you is a joke. You can't tell me you can put same generic material in front of kids and expect them to care to learn it. You have to make them want to or force them. I was forced to learn and focus growing up. Hell the principle gave the paddle in 3rd grade. I wish they still did that. Until child is able to rationalize why they should learn force or coercion must be used. He got sent to asst principle and she called us to come get him cause he refused to go back to class. That is how he got sent home. His teacher argues with him. I don't argue with him I tell him how it is and if he doesn't like too bad. And listens to me and I get no lip out of him. My wife is amazed how well he acts for me. He is a boy they did direction and discipline. His last 3 teachers had no problem giving him that. This teacher does.

Aspergers?? That IS a disability and it's a severe one at that. Unfortunately, there are few general education teachers and, to be honest, few special education teachers that are experienced and able to confidently/appropriatetly handle a student with the communicative/social challenges that Aspergers presents. Honestly...dealing with an Autistic learner is a lot of behavior management 101 but you'd be stunned at how many teachers can't do it. It doesn't surprise me at all that a green teacher wouldn't know what to do with that type of learner.

If your son does have Aspergers then he has an IEP (unless of course you and your wife denied services which, shockingly, happens quite often). This is precisely why I asked about the circumstances surrounding the "sending home".

Only a Cracker Jack doctor would prescribe Prozac for a child with ADD/ADHD.

There seems to be a whole lot more to this.
 
He was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. Its a form of autism I guess. They thought it was ADD at first, tried to put him on Prozac and it made him worse. He was 7 then. He does have an IEP, Which we thought everyone was on board with. He just has his bad days like any other kid. But his teacher would rather send him to another room, to the principals office, or send him home instead of working with him. He cant help the way he is.

spot on. A few face to face meetings with parents, the sped teacher in charge of the IEP and his troubled teachers could help alot though... I know it did with my nephew.
 
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