got the "no start" blues

discosteve

discosteve

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so a few weeks ago i blew up my engine at wf, and a few days later i had it all back together. well tonight is the first night ive been able to finish it up.

anyways, i got everything together, its got spark and fuel. i think its out of time. its an 89 remix bottom end with a 94 H.O head and a 97 intake. if that makes any difference.

at top dead center comp stroke the rotor in the dist is pointing right at #1. but when i crank it the timing light shows it retarded. almost 3in past the 0 mark.

should i try to advance the timing? i was always told to set it directly on #1 and itll run.

whats your thoughts?

is there something im missing?

am i an idiot?

any info would be awesome.

thanks
 
thanks dan. you should be a motivational speaker.

very sure. did the old "stick your finger in it til you feel a push" trick.

also even hooked a gauge to it and bumped it over.

its on compression stroke. its tdc. its on #1. but its not wanting to run.

nothing has confused me this much since the little puzzles on the back of the cereal boxes.
 
the computer is a 97. the throttle body is a 97. same as the intake. its what came with the jeep.


im wearing plaid boxer with the barn door open, a def leppard tanktop (the british flag). and boot socks.


i also painted my nails today
 
are the sensors on the motor for the OBD2 system since the computer for a 97 is OBD2? I am wondering if the cam or crank sensor may not be jivin' with your mix of parts. I am almost drunk, so my logical thinking is randomly interupted with malted hops and barley, and thoughts of shaved sheep.
 
everything on it is from that specific vehicle. the only thing i swapped was the block. all the sensors came of the previous engine. and that one ran.
 
I haven't had a 4.0 apart but the first thing that comes to mind is the toner ring or whatever the crank is reading off of. Am I right to think the CSS is reading off the flywheel/ring gear? Could it be clocked a little different?

Also.... I have seen at least three engine swaps with fuel, spark, and compression that would not start because of a ground issue. Make sure all the grounds are done correctly!

Check the grounds.

Hankster
 
Check everything stated in this thread. Seems like the bases have been covered.





Flexd'Steve you're our favorite idiot'XJ
 
the flywheel is off of the original engine that came out of the jeep. so it is the one for that computer. the jeep itself is a huge bastard child. its a 96 and half the parts are th old style and half are the new. it has the newer intake and serpentine setup on it. the computer is wayy different than the one out of my 94. tmrw ill check the timing again, i think it may be a tooth off. (kinda like flex) :D

its getting fuel and spark. i think ill also check injector pulse.

thanks guys.
 
Big Hank said:
Check the grounds.
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My first thought... obviously you do the air, fuel, spark checks first. I had a ground loose on my XJ and couldn't get the fuel pump to run. Even with fuel though I'd be checking wiring very carefully. Didn't you say when you first hooked up the battery you shorted it out and your ground strap melted? I wouldn't think having 12v on both sides of a sensor (0v potential) would cause any problems, but you gotta wonder if you burnt out a sensor or something that could be causing your problems. If it's OBD2 would it by chance be throwing a code that could help you? At least narrow it down to what it's pissed off about...
 
Fore Wheeler said:
97 distributor?

I'm not that familiar with the Renix stuff but Cheeseboy said what I was thinking.
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your thinking about sheep?

why sheep?


goats are better at foreplay.
 
its OBD1. it just has a newer style intake. but all the sensors plug into the 96 computer and they worked. at least they worked on the other 2 engines ive had in it. theres 3 grounds on it and ive got them all hooked up nice and tight and clean. are there more than 3?

and the wiring issue was my dumbass hooking the hot wire for the alternator to the ground on the block. yea i know. im an idiot.

ill dig around with it somemore tmrw.
 
At this point, everyone is scratching their heads. Maybe sleeping it off for the night and a fresh outlook tomorrow will prove useful. Sometimes that's all you need to see the problem. And when you find it, it'll probably be something simple and you'll do a palmface.
 
Figured you used your original flywheel, just didn't know if the bolt pattern could be clocked.... Did a little research an dont think this is even a possibility.

Take some jumper cables and ground things straight to the neg. Battery post. I'd try the block. The case of the alternator, etc...

Sorry to be repetitive. I've just seen this exact scenario before and it's been a ground.
 
thanks man. ill give it a look tomorrow. ive got alot of new ideas on what it could be.

and you are correct on the flywheel. itll only bolt on one way.
 
discosteve said:
its OBD1. it just has a newer style intake. but all the sensors plug into the 96 computer and they worked. at least they worked on the other 2 engines ive had in it. theres 3 grounds on it and ive got them all hooked up nice and tight and clean. are there more than 3?

and the wiring issue was my dumbass hooking the hot wire for the alternator to the ground on the block. yea i know. im an idiot.

ill dig around with it somemore tmrw.
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A 96 is NOT OBD1, It is OBD2.
 
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