JeepFreak21
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Beezil said:
Yeah, I'm going to do that and also going to make some sort of spring retainer (hense the hole on the top of the "bumpstop".
Billy
Got my long arm brackets done
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Yeah, I'm going to do that and also going to make some sort of spring retainer (hense the hole on the top of the "bumpstop".
Billy
BrettM
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Beezil said:
it's not a radius arm if there is no upper
myjeepsbigger
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Forgive my coming in half way through the conversation, but if you have your uppers and lowers mounted parallel, where are you going to get the lateral stability for the axle? Will it all come from the track bar? Like I said, I'm in late......
JnJ
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myjeepsbigger said:
Yup, that is the purpose of the trackbar.
REDXJ4FUN
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Hey beezil how did you like your set up except for you dislike of the tracbar. I'm getting ready to start on my new axles and am thinking of doing some thing similarbut havent decide yet. also has an one used mounts off a FS dodge ram as thier mounts.
REDXJ4FUN
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JnJ how do you like the single upper? I tried it on my first LA bu it wasn't quite right. but the angles I had from the top mount to the arm wasn't what i wanted but I had to do something quick
JeepFreak21
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REDXJ4FUN said:
REDXJ4FUN said:
*cough* Private Message *cough*
Economos
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How much shipped to 28405? 
Very nice work!
Very nice work!
REDXJ4FUN
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hey someone else may want to know aswell
JnJ
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Well it was nice on the road, but unfortunately I never got it on the trail. I am in the process of swapping everything over to the MJ.REDXJ4FUN said:
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- Indiana-Missouri
mad maXJ said:
If you were trying to say "its not a radius arm if there is an upper"
well, that would be totally untrue.
a design in which two lower control arms are used to locate the axle, and one of two more are used to control axle rotation, (upper attatched to lower) then it is most CERTAINLY a radius arm.
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REDXJ4FUN said:
I didn't really like it all that much.
I didn't think it performed well.
it unloaded too early, which a limiting strap helped with.....I don't know enough about suspension design, and I never got enough seat time with that set-up in order to figure out how to describe why I didn't like it, from a mechanical, or technical aspect, but just a seat-of-the-pants sorta feeling about it was that it felt "sloppy" and hard to predict.
the tracbarless wishbone design with flatter angles just feels better, feels predictable, does not unload horribly (not using a limiting strap "yet") and I don't get a weight transfer from the nasty side swing from the too-short tracbar (couldn't fit one long enough for lift height) of the old set-up
JeepFreak21
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REDXJ4FUN said:
I know, I'm just sayin'... you jackin' my thread foo!
Billy
BrettM
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Beezil said:
I will say it again; It is not a radius arm if there is no upper (or other means of controlling axle rotation, like Ford radius arms)
take Clayton's kit for instance, it comes with 2 radius arms. remove one upper and now you have 1 radius arm and 1 plain old control arm (sometimes called a wristed arm).
A radius arm only lets the axle swing in a constant radius from the frame mount of the arm. A "wristed arm", or single lower CA, does not hold true to this.
Beezil said:
Yes, "A radius arm" if he's using 1 upper, and 2 radius armS if he's using 2 uppers.
This is why I asked if he's running 1 radius arm or 2, in other words, is he planning on running 1 upper or 2.
Beez, aren't you the one that setup a double radius arm setup with rodends all around :laugh3:
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mad maXJ said:Beez, aren't you the one that setup a double radius arm setup with rodends all around :laugh3:
nope.
I only ran one upper, and i used j-joints on my lowers.
MaXJohnson
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mad maXJ said:
BrettM
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I am talkin about individual arms here, not the setup. When I say "no means of controlling axle rotation" I am talking about on a single arm. The arm with no upper does nothing to control axle rotation.
No doubt he is doing a "radius arm setup" here, but my question was if he was going to run 1 radius arm or 2. 2 radius arms tends to bind and requires somewhat soft bushings. 1 radius arm, along with a control arm on the other side, does not bind like a 2 radius arm setup, but you need more rigid joints (rodends, johnny joints, etc), 1 arm failure puts you out of commision, and there are some that complain of strange handling characteristics.
No doubt he is doing a "radius arm setup" here, but my question was if he was going to run 1 radius arm or 2. 2 radius arms tends to bind and requires somewhat soft bushings. 1 radius arm, along with a control arm on the other side, does not bind like a 2 radius arm setup, but you need more rigid joints (rodends, johnny joints, etc), 1 arm failure puts you out of commision, and there are some that complain of strange handling characteristics.
MaXJohnson
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you're just trying to mess up this thread so Beezil will get in trouble
BrettM
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do you guys need pictures?
Both are "radius arm setups", but the first picture shows 2 radius arms, the second picture shows just 1 radius arm and 1 control arm (picture from Clayton, www.claytonoffroad.com)
the right arm on the second picture does nothing to control axle rotation.
Both are "radius arm setups", but the first picture shows 2 radius arms, the second picture shows just 1 radius arm and 1 control arm (picture from Clayton, www.claytonoffroad.com)
the right arm on the second picture does nothing to control axle rotation.
BrettM
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Beezil said:
rod-ends, j-joints, same deal, they're not going to have any "give"
I most definitely remember pictures of your's with 2 uppers, of course if I remember correctly, a thread ensued in which everyone told you it was a bad idea, so maybe you took the advice before ever leaving the garage.
not that it matters much, your wishbone 3 link is "vewy nice"
