Forged 4.0L Supercharged Engine Ideas

^Don't under estimate the flat tappet cam. :D A lot of old school muscle cars run flat tappet cams even some modern v8 performance crate engines. Roller is better, but flat tappet is no slouch either.
 
Yeah. I remember someone saying that they don't last long. (he then said that they last 100,000 miles... :dunno::huh: That's a long time if you ask me. rofl.)
Considering that the average life of a 4.0L is 200k+ miles, 100k (that is MAX) is not a lot. Then in the mean time that thing will be putting metal through your engine while it prematurely wears.

What 505 has done is take a standard cast cam core, the same ones used to make the flat tappet cams and grind a roller profile in it. Then throw in some roller lifters, some valve springs and a cheap timing set. All for $1225, for about $540 (retail) worth of parts. Now, consider that for a true billet cam and lifters for a domestic V8 you are looking at $900. If 505's kit included a true billet cam it wouldn't be a bad price. But its not and what you are getting is a cam with questionable life, a high price and questionable engineering.

BTW, this is 505's idea of an oiling mod to help oil the lifter. Thats about a .065" x .040" groove that looks like it was created by a cut off wheel. Too large and just plain sloppy:
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Is it my imagination or, do I see three completely different angles there. The depths are inconsistant to a totally unacceptable degree. How can anyone sell such junk is a mystery to me...
 
I was a bit disappointed when I saw that myself. That is 100% the wrong way to groove a lifter. Way too large, too inconsistent, and the wrong tool used. Its also disconcerting that they feel the roller requires more oil than a flat tappet. BTW, its from this thread: http://www.jeepstrokers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1883.

At one point I was interested in purchasing one of their roller cams, but their presale support left a lot to be desired. It was like pulling teeth to get any hard information from them. That was before I saw those lifters. If it was me, once I saw the lifters, it would have gone back in the box and shipped back.
 
I agree. Most oiling cuts I have seen are based on a helix so that you do not drop a bunch of pressure due to the straight cut. And, at that, a groove of 0.030" is huge. These cuts are insane.

Roller cams are cool and I have used them on more than one V8. My concern is how to keep them from rotating out of line in our Heeps. In the V8 application, they are paired together with a keeper. Like in the 5.2L engine used in the ZJ. Good motor that...
 
The general mathematical formula for building a turbo motor is for every Bar of boost you feed into the motor it's going to double the horsepower. so if he ran 7.5 psi of boost which is half a bar and the engine made 240hp N/A that would net him and extra 120hp, thus making his final power numbers 360hp. You factor in the parasitic loss of the supercharger and you get ~340-350hp.

Only a 10-20hp parasitic loss? A bit optimistic?
 
Maybe I have to rethink that Roller cam.

Maybe save that money and put it towards the Hesco alumn head. A 4.0 or 4.6 forged internals with stock cam and roller rockers. The blower and head will make up for the stock cam.

Hell, just put the Hesco head on stock junk yard shortblocks and boost them til they die and then get another JY shortblock.
 
I ran the big valve version of the aluminium head on my Stroker way back when. That head (.202/.194) is no longer avalable as it cam directly from Patriot Performance who is the shop that actually makes the head.

It was a night and day difference according to the but-dyno...

The currently available head, from Hesco, uses stock valves ( 1.91/1.50) so the advantage is combustion chamber temps being controlled better and the redesign of the chamber itself. In the past, I have spoken with Bernie many times and he is a very good source of information.

I suppose, given that the castings were the same, a guy could have a competent machine shop open up the valves to take the chevy parts...

The other nice thing about this head is that the valve cover mount is raised 0.500" to allow roller rockers to fit. That and the T-Stat location is forward to allow fitment.

I nice head, but it is nearly twice what I paid for the big valve version back in '02... Makes for very expensive gains as you could spend less with a shop on the iron head and get similar results. For $2k, a full porting job, including raising the floors can be had along with a three angle valve setup.

They are pretty though...
 
Patriot Performance also offers a cnc ported and polished cast cylinder head. Its based on a new 0331 head.

Really!? I knew they had the replacement but didn't know they sold a worked over version. Do you know how much $?

Those grind marks on 505's lifters are simply unacceptable. It definetly shows their lack of quality and attention to detail. Huge :thumbdn::thumbdn:
 
Patriot Performance also offers a cnc ported and polished cast cylinder head. Its based on a new 0331 head.

I thought the 0331 head is the one to stay away from?
 
Really!? I knew they had the replacement but didn't know they sold a worked over version. Do you know how much $?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PATRIOT-JEEP-4-0-4-2-2-02-1-60-ASSEMBLED-CYLINDER-HEAD?item=300565684909

Hesco also has one, but its a bit more.
Those grind marks on 505's lifters are simply unacceptable. It definetly shows their lack of quality and attention to detail. Huge :thumbdn::thumbdn:
I really don't know what they were thinking. Their solution to that guy's problem was to run a HV oil pump. Nice.

I thought the 0331 head is the one to stay away from?
The 99-02 castings you want to stay away from because they crack. New castings don't have this problem. Its also been stipulated that it actually flows better with its accompanying intake and exhaust than earlier versions. The exhaust ports have been raised significantly.
 
Any flow numbers on that Patriot Head?

Interesting that on their web site they don't show this head.
 
I will say that I bought my SCAT crank from them as they offered the best price on it. That last ebay head listed looks like its more for the 258/4.0 conversion crowd.
 
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