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Fired Up in Dallas

GSequoia said:
Good number of their children are US citizens ;)

Citizens only as a result of the misinterpretation of the 14th amendment's intention. The amendment provided for protection of former slaves in the recently defeated Confederate states. Those who were born in the United states or it's territories to slave parents were granted citizenship. Secondly, the amendment provided the protection of due process of those slaves that were not granted citizenship as a right of birth provided by the amendment. It has nothing to do with those who were born here as a result of illegal activities.
 
Bent said:
Citizens only as a result of the misinterpretation of the 14th amendment's intention.
...

United States v. Gordon, 25 Fed. Cas. 1364 (C.C.S.D.N.Y. 1861) (No. 15,231); In re Look Tin Sing, 21 F. 905 (C.C.Cal. 1884); Lam Mow v. Nagle, 24 F.2d 316 (9th Cir. 1928).

:D

--ron
 
goodburbon said:
what?they get here, illegally pop out a kid and suddenly we owe that kid and its parents entitlements?

Yeah, isn't it total BS that a person can become a citizen just by being born here! What a load of crap!
 
goodburbon said:
and that means what?

Those are some of more interesting case law that establishes the "interpretation" Timmy is refering too.

Makes for good reading.

Oh, and if you have issues with being born here, do some reading. The "High Seas" rulings will grab your goat by the balls. :D

--ron
 
Captain Ron said:
United States v. Gordon, 25 Fed. Cas. 1364 (C.C.S.D.N.Y. 1861) (No. 15,231); In re Look Tin Sing, 21 F. 905 (C.C.Cal. 1884); Lam Mow v. Nagle, 24 F.2d 316 (9th Cir. 1928).

:D

--ron

Miller, 1873 Slaughterhouse Cases.


:D :D :D




TIM
 
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Captain Ron said:
Dred Scott Decisions. :D :D :D

--ron

I can pee farther than you can!

:D

The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, Article 5,16 &12.

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Haley vs. United States
 
Hi,

I've been living, working & studying in Dallas for 3 years. I work for Immigration and Customs Enforcement as an intern. I am a very small cog, but in 3 years I've seen it all, the good & the bad. And the really really bad.

The real problem is that the number of illegal immigrants is too great for the government to satisfactorily resolve all cases at once. The borders have been porous for too long. Even if tomorrow we managed to hermetically seal the borders, it would be years before the existing laws could be enforced, allowing some to stay, and deporting others.

A blanket amnesty, BTW, would be even worse, because it creates a bigger legal nightmare than what it solves! (It's been tried before, under Reagan, & the result was bad--it would be worse today). You'd first have to decide who gets amnesty & who doesn't. For example, amnesty would not apply to gangbangin' murderers, so the murderers have to be sorted out from the 'guest workers'. And who's a guest worker? Just anybody? Anybody with a job/looking for a job? And, do we give amnesty to Africans, Russians, Iranians, Pakistanis who are here illegally, or only the Mexicans? The amnesty law would have to specify, new gov't forms and fees would have to be instituted, new enforcement guidelines issued, investigations done, hearings held... and my job would suddenly be 13x more difficult, requiring 13 more gov't employees, larger gov't buildings, higher taxes to pay for enforcement...

RE: property ownership, taxes, etc. Bear in mind different taxes are earmarked for different expenditures. Home property taxes fund schools, which is one of the issues being discussed. Rental property taxes may be handled differently, because they are essentially commercial--I don't know how Texas handles such taxes. Sales taxes fund a little of everything. Gasoline taxes are supposed to be earmarked for road repairs/improvements. Regardless, the issue is, some illegals do not pay the taxes that fund schools, yet their children have access to public education. It is a legit concern. I don't know that it is that important, but I do understand the frustration. One solution: pay for private school & take a tax break b/c your kid isn't in public school (unfortunately, such tax breaks are generally not available).

Insurance: many illegals do drive w/o insurance, cause accidents, then flee--either they flee the scene of the accident, or they flee the country b/c they can't pay the damages. One reason they drive w/o insurance is b/c they fear their status as illegal immigrants will be revealed to Federal authorities. Funny thing is, driving w/o insurance, even causing an accident is not a big enough offense to get them deported.

Jobs Americans don't want to do: If Mexico (its government) would clean up its act, then Mexico would be more appealing to the Mexicans, and they wouldn't have to take our low-paying jobs. BTW, it would not be enough for Americans simply to buy more Mexican goods. There is corruption in the Mexican government such that the money would not go to the workers, but back to the pockets of a select few. In fact, one of the top 4 richest men in the world is the head of the oil industry in Mexico--and the government controls Mexico's oil. It is inevitable that the Mexicans would rather be here, by whatever means, until Mexico becomes a better place to live than it is now--if not better than the U.S.! When do you think that will happen?

No. The issue of illegal immigration cannot be resolved overnight, or in 10 years, or in 50 years. Notice that an ocean in between doesn't keep Cubans from trying to get here? You think a big wall will matter?

Illegal immigration--and openness to terrorism--is a risk we take simply by being a nation of freedom, 'equality' (in some sense), and prosperity. If you are willing to dispense with your own freedom--if you're willing to submit to constant background checks, airport screenings, 'biometric' scans, everywhere you go, every job you perform--then, yeah, maybe we can end illegal immigration, and end terrorism on our soil, forever.

For my part, I think we should remain somewhat of an open society, but streamline & toughen our laws. Patrol the borders, but don't waste time/money building an impenetrable wall (if there is such a thing). It would probably help to deny aliens access to public services such as schooling, regardless of whether they have paid taxes. It seems harsh, but imagine trying to regulate a system where aliens have access to public services they've paid taxes for, but are denied services for which they haven't paid... you'd have to track every dollar they spend, to know whether they are eligible for schooling, Medicare, disability, unemployment, roads without potholes, etc.

And pay us enforcement guys a little more... :)
 
Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in
1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes
here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he
shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an
outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or
birthplace, or origin, but this is predicated upon the person's becoming
in every facet an American, and nothing but an American....There can be
no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but
something else also, is not an American at all. We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and
that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole
loyalty, and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907
 
XJ Wagon said:
Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in
1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes
here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he
shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an
outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or
birthplace, or origin, but this is predicated upon the person's becoming
in every facet an American, and nothing but an American....There can be
no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but
something else also, is not an American at all. We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and
that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole
loyalty, and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

That pretty well sums it up to my satisfaction.... multi language street signs are BS as far as I'm concerned, just allows non-english speakers to put off learning english longer.
 
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