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Few Questions about Trip!
- Thread starter planoxj
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The scheduled run is free and open to all XJ/MJ vehicles, but prior registration should be made. The 
headquarters will be located at Lakeview-Bighorn, Gunnison campground on the beautiful Taylor Park Reservoir nestled in the mountains between Buena Vista, Crested Butte, and Gunnison Colorado. Headquarter campground reservations can be made through ReserveUSA (www.reserveusa.com or 1-877-444-6777). When booking make sure to make your reservations in the Lakeview-Bighorn, Gunnison campground as other Lakeview campgrounds do exist in Colorado. Of special note, ReserveUSA has not fixed an error on their web site (it has been brought to their attention) so do not trust their clickable map for your reservation. The map’s campground icon for Lakeview-Bighorn takes you to the wrong “Lakeview” campground. Use the web site’s name selection menu for the Colorado campgrounds and you should have no problem. The other thing you will need to do is disregard the website’s description of the campground as closed due to construction. ReserveUSA seems very slow at updating their web stuff.
Because of efforts on the part of three of the campground’s four loops have been opened up for reservations! Since ReserveUSA has been so slow with the web updates seems to be the only group that is aware of Lakeview’s opening. This should mean we have a chance to reserve most of the campground’s reservation sites. If we fill the HQ campground reservations can also be made at the following campgrounds within a drivable distance to Lakeview (miles from HQ): Dinner Station (9mi), Lodge Pole (9.5mi), Rosy Lane (14.5mi), & One Mile (15mi). For last minuet travelers there are several campgrounds in the area that do not take reservations with availability on a first come basis. These are: River’s End (4mi), Cold Spring (8mi), Mirror Lake (12mi), North Bank (16mi), Dorchester (16mi), Taylor Canyon (16.5mi), Spring Creek (19mi), and Mosca (27mi). Primitive camping is restricted near the reservoir but opportunities do exist for those that really want to rough it.
For attendees that wish more upscale accommodations the nearest roof is located at the Trading Post (1mi) on Taylor Reservoir. Not a very plush place but the cabins do have running water, beds, and heat. Their phone number at the Trading Post is 970-641-2555. Other upscale accommodations are Eibert's Cabins (5mi?) 970-641-2943, Holts Guest Ranch 970-641-2733 (?), Harmel's Ranch Resort (18mi) 800-235-3402 or 970-641-1740, Almont Resort 970-641-4009 (24mi), Three Rivers Resort (25mi) 970-641-1303, and White Water Resort 970-641-1713 (estimated 25mi). There are also several resorts and motels in Crested Butte and Gunnison, but be prepared for a drive of over 35 miles to either town. The lodging and camping around Buena Vista is also an option but because of the long travel time over the often very rough Cottonwood Pass it is not recommended.
Trail Runs are scheduled every day of the event. The terrain in the region isn’t as difficult as some parts of Colorado or as the notorious Moab, UT but should be scenic and challenging enough to please everyone in attendance.
The trail schedule is being finalized at this time and will be released when available. As with previous runs, Tread Lightly rules will be followed and all vehicles in attendance must meet all rules for sponsored events regarding both equipment and safety gear. Inspections to confirm compliance will be mandatory. It is also recommended that everyone plan for wet, cool, or even cold weather. Remember you are in the Mountains. It is not uncommon for night time temperatures in this region to reach the freezing mark even in July or August. Brief afternoon showers are frequent with an occasional summer snow shower possible at higher elevations.
headquarters will be located at Lakeview-Bighorn, Gunnison campground on the beautiful Taylor Park Reservoir nestled in the mountains between Buena Vista, Crested Butte, and Gunnison Colorado. Headquarter campground reservations can be made through ReserveUSA (www.reserveusa.com or 1-877-444-6777). When booking make sure to make your reservations in the Lakeview-Bighorn, Gunnison campground as other Lakeview campgrounds do exist in Colorado. Of special note, ReserveUSA has not fixed an error on their web site (it has been brought to their attention) so do not trust their clickable map for your reservation. The map’s campground icon for Lakeview-Bighorn takes you to the wrong “Lakeview” campground. Use the web site’s name selection menu for the Colorado campgrounds and you should have no problem. The other thing you will need to do is disregard the website’s description of the campground as closed due to construction. ReserveUSA seems very slow at updating their web stuff. Because of efforts on the part of
three of the campground’s four loops have been opened up for reservations! Since ReserveUSA has been so slow with the web updates seems to be the only group that is aware of Lakeview’s opening. This should mean we have a chance to reserve most of the campground’s reservation sites. If we fill the HQ campground reservations can also be made at the following campgrounds within a drivable distance to Lakeview (miles from HQ): Dinner Station (9mi), Lodge Pole (9.5mi), Rosy Lane (14.5mi), & One Mile (15mi). For last minuet travelers there are several campgrounds in the area that do not take reservations with availability on a first come basis. These are: River’s End (4mi), Cold Spring (8mi), Mirror Lake (12mi), North Bank (16mi), Dorchester (16mi), Taylor Canyon (16.5mi), Spring Creek (19mi), and Mosca (27mi). Primitive camping is restricted near the reservoir but opportunities do exist for those that really want to rough it.For attendees that wish more upscale accommodations the nearest roof is located at the Trading Post (1mi) on Taylor Reservoir. Not a very plush place but the cabins do have running water, beds, and heat. Their phone number at the Trading Post is 970-641-2555. Other upscale accommodations are Eibert's Cabins (5mi?) 970-641-2943, Holts Guest Ranch 970-641-2733 (?), Harmel's Ranch Resort (18mi) 800-235-3402 or 970-641-1740, Almont Resort 970-641-4009 (24mi), Three Rivers Resort (25mi) 970-641-1303, and White Water Resort 970-641-1713 (estimated 25mi). There are also several resorts and motels in Crested Butte and Gunnison, but be prepared for a drive of over 35 miles to either town. The lodging and camping around Buena Vista is also an option but because of the long travel time over the often very rough Cottonwood Pass it is not recommended.
Trail Runs are scheduled every day of the event. The terrain in the region isn’t as difficult as some parts of Colorado or as the notorious Moab, UT but should be scenic and challenging enough to please everyone in attendance.
The trail schedule is being finalized at this time and will be released when available. As with previous runs, Tread Lightly rules will be followed and all vehicles in attendance must meet all
rules for sponsored events regarding both equipment and safety gear. Inspections to confirm compliance will be mandatory. It is also recommended that everyone plan for wet, cool, or even cold weather. Remember you are in the Mountains. It is not uncommon for night time temperatures in this region to reach the freezing mark even in July or August. Brief afternoon showers are frequent with an occasional summer snow shower possible at higher elevations.
Bones
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- Location
- Mid Missouri
I really think I hate this format. I hope I'm not listed as "guest" this time.
Bones
Bones
MJR
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- Location
- Costa Mesa, CA
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YELLAHEEP
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- Location
- Littleton, Colorado
Colorado event....
Where or how do we register for the Colorado event?
Where or how do we register for the Colorado event?
Re: Colorado event....
[quote:abc9cb0fd4="YELLAHEEP"]Where or how do we register for the Colorado event?[/quote:abc9cb0fd4]
I'd like to know the ansewer to that, too. I've got the campground reservations made, when will the actual run registration open up? Hopefully soon, as I'll be leaving on my journey July 8th and from that point on, I won't know when or if I'll have access to the net, depends on if the RV parks I end up in have modem hookups.
[quote:abc9cb0fd4="YELLAHEEP"]Where or how do we register for the Colorado event?[/quote:abc9cb0fd4]
I'd like to know the ansewer to that, too. I've got the campground reservations made, when will the actual run registration open up? Hopefully soon, as I'll be leaving on my journey July 8th and from that point on, I won't know when or if I'll have access to the net, depends on if the RV parks I end up in have modem hookups.
- Location
- Terra Firma
[quote:69b3926019="Anonymous"]The scheduled run is free and open to all XJ/MJ vehicles...[/quote:69b3926019]
Point of order:
Bones, I realize you are coordinating this event, but the information you gave here is contrary to the by-laws. This event is an official event (at least, that's the way it has been presented to date). That means only members and invited guests may participate. It is NOT "open to all XJ/ MJ vehicles."
To quote from the by-laws:
[quote:69b3926019][list:69b3926019]* Members who choose to bring Guests on an Event are solely responsible for those Guests. Should the Trail Master or Officer determine that any Guest is posing a risk to safety, or simply to the enjoyment of the Event itself, that Guest may be asked to leave via host Member escort provided it is deemed safe to do so by the present ranking Director and/or Trail Master;
* All participants must be defined as an Attendee, i.e., either Member or Guest. At no time will any other vehicle be allowed to join any Event. The Trail Master and/or Officer will enforce this policy;[/list:u:69b3926019][/quote:69b3926019]
The second paragraph I cited is pretty clear on the subject: "At no time will any other vehicle be allowed to join any Event." Sorry to be a spoil-sport, but ... them's the rules.
If you want to attend, either join or arrange to be invited by a member. Previous clarification has been one member=one guest. The fact that the host must leave the event if his/her guest is booted should explain why.
Point of order:
Bones, I realize you are coordinating this event, but the information you gave here is contrary to the
by-laws. This event is an official event (at least, that's the way it has been presented to date). That means only members and invited guests may participate. It is NOT "open to all XJ/ MJ vehicles."To quote from the by-laws:
[quote:69b3926019][list:69b3926019]* Members who choose to bring Guests on an Event are solely responsible for those Guests. Should the Trail Master or Officer determine that any Guest is posing a risk to safety, or simply to the enjoyment of the Event itself, that Guest may be asked to leave via host Member escort provided it is deemed safe to do so by the present ranking Director and/or Trail Master;
* All participants must be defined as an Attendee, i.e., either Member or Guest. At no time will any other vehicle be allowed to join any Event. The Trail Master and/or Officer will enforce this policy;[/list:u:69b3926019][/quote:69b3926019]
The second paragraph I cited is pretty clear on the subject: "At no time will any other vehicle be allowed to join any Event." Sorry to be a spoil-sport, but ... them's the rules.
If you want to attend, either join
or arrange to be invited by a member. Previous clarification has been one member=one guest. The fact that the host must leave the event if his/her guest is booted should explain why.
MJR
NAXJA Forum User
- Location
- Costa Mesa, CA
Eagle this is more like the Rubicon trip last year. Just a bunch of people getting together in Colorado.
- Location
- Terra Firma
[quote:30a5088ab5="MJR"]Eagle this is more like the Rubicon trip last year. Just a bunch of people getting together in Colorado.[/quote:30a5088ab5]
That's not the way it has been promoted to date. And since when does "a group of people getting together" rate a separate forum, as opposed to a thread on non-tech? Look on the home page. "'s Upcoming Event Schedule" => " Returns to Colorado." That sure sounds like an "event" to me.
You guys can make it anything you want, but you do have to follow the by-laws. One of the reasons (the primray reason, if I recall) for founding was to provide a vehicle for insuring and limiting individual personal liability at group events. If you run Colorado as an "event" it is covered by 's insurance, but you have to play by the rules -- our by-laws. You can choose to say it's not an event -- but then it is NOT covered by our insurance, there is no trailmaster (except maybe informally), and if anybody screws up they are personally liable. Personally, I signed up under the distict impression I was signing up for an "event."
So far this -- assemly/congregation/confluence -- has been publicized as an "event." Now you're telling me it isn't. Why would that be -- just to allow someone who doesn't feel like joining to attend?
Would a responsible member of the BOD step up to the plate and render a determination, please? Is this going to be a event, or is it not?
That's not the way it has been promoted to date. And since when does "a group of people getting together" rate a separate forum, as opposed to a thread on non-tech? Look on the
home page. "'s Upcoming Event Schedule" => " Returns to Colorado." That sure sounds like an "event" to me.You guys can make it anything you want, but you do have to follow the by-laws. One of the reasons (the primray reason, if I recall) for founding
was to provide a vehicle for insuring and limiting individual personal liability at group events. If you run Colorado as an "event" it is covered by 's insurance, but you have to play by the rules -- our by-laws. You can choose to say it's not an event -- but then it is NOT covered by our insurance, there is no trailmaster (except maybe informally), and if anybody screws up they are personally liable. Personally, I signed up under the distict impression I was signing up for an "event."So far this -- assemly/congregation/confluence -- has been publicized as an "event." Now you're telling me it isn't. Why would that be -- just to allow someone who doesn't feel like joining
to attend?Would a responsible member of the BOD step up to the plate and render a determination, please? Is this going to be a
event, or is it not?4ward
NAXJA Forum User
- Location
- Dayton, OH
Eagle, this is a sponsored event. By-laws do apply. However, it still should be open to everyone IMHO. I know that we need to adhere to the by-laws so this is how I would arrange it for extra folks.
If you are planning on bringing more than 1 friend, then you should put the extra people in contact with the members. If another member determines that your extra friend is an acceptable risk, then they can invite that person. Personally, I invite 5-6 people an event but have yet to see any come out.
I hope this helped out, I'm severly hung over so my thought processes are a little slow and I can't say things the way I want to cuz brain can't function right now.
Sean
sponsored event. By-laws do apply. However, it still should be open to everyone IMHO. I know that we need to adhere to the by-laws so this is how I would arrange it for extra folks.If you are planning on bringing more than 1 friend, then you should put the extra people in contact with the members. If another member determines that your extra friend is an acceptable risk, then they can invite that person. Personally, I invite 5-6 people an event but have yet to see any come out.
I hope this helped out, I'm severly hung over so my thought processes are a little slow and I can't say things the way I want to cuz brain can't function right now.
Sean
- Location
- Terra Firma
Sean --
Agreed -- that's the way I expected it would be handled.
Agreed -- that's the way I expected it would be handled.
G
Guest
Guest
As President of , and as a member, I invite anyone who wants to attend the Colorado event this summer. Steve Ward, the event coordinator, has done the same.
Come one come all, you are invited.
Richard G
, and as a member, I invite anyone who wants to attend the Colorado event this summer. Steve Ward, the event coordinator, has done the same.Come one come all, you are invited.
Richard G
Bones
NAXJA Forum User
- Location
- Mid Missouri
There was back channel discussion about who this run was going to be open to when I wrote up the article. It was decided that since this run is more scenic that difficult it would be a good PR and recruiting tool for and as such should be open to non members alike as long as they follow the rules for a sponsored event (safety, tread lightly, equipment etc.). As for what the by-laws say, I am aware of them. I typed up the first set into html, however for this event I feel the non-member people can easily be sponsored by (a guest of) someone in attendance.
Bones
and as such should be open to non members alike as long as they follow the rules for a sponsored event (safety, tread lightly, equipment etc.). As for what the by-laws say, I am aware of them. I typed up the first set into html, however for this event I feel the non-member people can easily be sponsored by (a guest of) someone in attendance.Bones
MJR
NAXJA Forum User
- Location
- Costa Mesa, CA
We get together to enjoy getting away and seeing great places together.
I want everyone to enjoy the trips we take and hopefully join if they want.
In my mind a sponsored event means a fee to support for participating. This to me is more of a sanctioned event if there are no fees involved.
I want everyone to enjoy the trips we take and hopefully join if they want.
In my mind a sponsored
event means a fee to support for participating. This to me is more of a sanctioned event if there are no fees involved.- Location
- Alexandria, NJ
Quibbling
Sponsored vs Sanctioned?
Methinks all of you are getting in just a bit deep.
:roll:
Just bring plenty of water and show up!
MG
Sponsored vs Sanctioned?
Methinks all of you are getting in just a bit deep.
:roll:
Just bring plenty of water and show up!
MG
- Location
- Alexandria, NJ
Quibbling
Sponsored vs Sanctioned?
Methinks all of you are getting in just a bit deep.
:roll:
Just bring plenty of water and show up!
MG
Sponsored vs Sanctioned?
Methinks all of you are getting in just a bit deep.
:roll:
Just bring plenty of water and show up!
MG
MJR
NAXJA Forum User
- Location
- Costa Mesa, CA
Water ?
[quote:19712ad397="Mike in NJ"]Just bring plenty of water and show up!
MG[/quote:19712ad397]
Why you need a bath ?. :shock: :lol:
I thought we are going to CO land of Rocky Mountain water.
[quote:19712ad397="Mike in NJ"]Just bring plenty of water and show up!
MG[/quote:19712ad397]
Why you need a bath ?. :shock: :lol:
I thought we are going to CO land of Rocky Mountain water.
- Location
- Colorado Springs, CO
Water
There ain't none. Colorado Springs is going on water rationing for the first time in 40 years. 40 miles from here we have a 25,000 acre fire out of control.
Fred
There ain't none. Colorado Springs is going on water rationing for the first time in 40 years. 40 miles from here we have a 25,000 acre fire out of control.
Fred
MJR
NAXJA Forum User
- Location
- Costa Mesa, CA
Thanks for the 411 Fred I wasn't aware.
- Location
- Alexandria, NJ
Whatsamatter - no media coverage in La-La Land?
I know you guys out there tend to be very self-absorbed, but this situation is covered pretty well even on the Right Coast.
"Colorado WildFires Confound Authorities"
A ferocious and unpredictable wildfire continued to burn out of control near the resort town of Glenwood Springs . . . was one of a dozen that erupted in Colorado over the weekend . . . second major blaze burning 50 miles SW of Denver . . . fires are at zero containment . . . wind-borne ash fell in parts of the city. Colorado Gov. Bill Owens likened the sight to "nuclear winter" . . . still another blaze in SW CO was threatening oil and gas fields . . . 70 mile stretch of I-70 closed most of Sunday . . . total ban on open fires throughout the state . . . worst drought in 75 years.
I guess unless it includes some famous dude's (or dudette's) mansion burning as in Malibu, you guys don't pay much attention to anything other than the Santa Ana's?
For those of you looking for hardcore wheeling at the end of July, if this keeps up, this trip willl make Mad Max beyond Thunderdome look like a Caribbean resort frolic.
I'm bringing my FF gear with me!
Mike in "also drought stricken" NJ
I know you guys out there tend to be very self-absorbed, but this situation is covered pretty well even on the Right Coast.
"Colorado WildFires Confound Authorities"
A ferocious and unpredictable wildfire continued to burn out of control near the resort town of Glenwood Springs . . . was one of a dozen that erupted in Colorado over the weekend . . . second major blaze burning 50 miles SW of Denver . . . fires are at zero containment . . . wind-borne ash fell in parts of the city. Colorado Gov. Bill Owens likened the sight to "nuclear winter" . . . still another blaze in SW CO was threatening oil and gas fields . . . 70 mile stretch of I-70 closed most of Sunday . . . total ban on open fires throughout the state . . . worst drought in 75 years.
I guess unless it includes some famous dude's (or dudette's) mansion burning as in Malibu, you guys don't pay much attention to anything other than the Santa Ana's?
For those of you looking for hardcore wheeling at the end of July, if this keeps up, this trip willl make Mad Max beyond Thunderdome look like a Caribbean resort frolic.
I'm bringing my FF gear with me!
Mike in "also drought stricken" NJ
