Engine math info...

5-90

NAXJA Forum User
Location
Hammerspace
For those of you who are interested, I am gathering and posting writings on engine mathematics - from the basic stuff to Thermodynamic Analyses of the Otto Cycle Engine (found a bunch of THAT stuff at a site by one of the professors at UColo School of Engineering!)

You can find it all at briefcase.yahoo.com/dragonland2001, in a folder called "Automotive" It's a public folder, so let me know if you can't get into it.

Also, some of this stuff needs to be verified as I go thru it, so watch for updates. Feel free to send any submissions to me ([email protected]) if there's anything you'd like to see upped.

All files are in Word2000 format unless otherwise noted. Other versions of files depending upon interest noted.

5-90
 
5-90 said:
For those of you who are interested, I am gathering and posting writings on engine mathematics - from the basic stuff to Thermodynamic Analyses of the Otto Cycle Engine (found a bunch of THAT stuff at a site by one of the professors at UColo School of Engineering!)

You can find it all at briefcase.yahoo.com/dragonland2001, in a folder called "Automotive" It's a public folder, so let me know if you can't get into it.

Also, some of this stuff needs to be verified as I go thru it, so watch for updates. Feel free to send any submissions to me ([email protected]) if there's anything you'd like to see upped.

All files are in Word2000 format unless otherwise noted. Other versions of files depending upon interest noted.

5-90

I'd forgotten about this...

That folder is probably defunct by now, so I'll be re-writing and upping them to the WiP website instead (link in sig.)
 
Rev Den said:
Must be a huge demand for this info.

:D

Rev

Wiseass.

The main reason that I want to present it is because I'm interested - and if I'm interested, there may be others who are as well.

So, I end up finding the high-level stuff, then I try to distil it down so you only need a high school education (vice, say, a MS/MET) to sort it out. There are those among us who like to know how and why things work, as opposed to just knowing that things work...

Call it "inordinate curiousity."

:lecture:
 
hasta

I understand the curiosity thing, I really do. But why spend all this time reinventing the wheel, and publishing it, when you could be contemplating whirrled peas; over a nice beer no less ?

Beeeer, ahhhhhh......
 
Zuki-Ron said:
hasta

I understand the curiosity thing, I really do. But why spend all this time reinventing the wheel, and publishing it, when you could be contemplating whirrled peas; over a nice beer no less ?

Beeeer, ahhhhhh......

Search noob. This has been covered many times before. :scottm:
 
Hey, he was talking about beer! I know it has been discussed before. :D
 
The formulae will work either way - but I think in inches natively. As long as you're consistent with your units, you can work most of the basic formulae either way - when a formula is unit-specific for some reason, I'll let everyone know (and, if I can figure it out, I'll even let you know why...)

You're not the only "olde phart" here who doesn't work with the metric system - I learned in inches, I think in inches, and I convert anything metric into something I can think with...

Flash said:
There seams to be a lot of nays here BUT i for one am vary interested!!!!

But you already new that didn't ya.:worship: :laugh3:


Are Thay going to be data like......bore x bore x number of cylinders = cubic inches, or liters?

or are they going to be like the one i sent you for DCR!........ @.050?

http://www.wallaceracing.com/dynamic-cr.php


Flash.
 
BBeach said:
Come on, metric is so much easier. ;)

I know - it's just that I'm more used to visualising the units of measurement - twice across my thumbnails is right about an inch (+/- a couple hundredths,) and my boot is almost exactly a foot long (closer to a foot than it is to 30cm...)

I have an easier time imagining, say, 10 feet than I do three and a half metres as well.

Goofy, I know, but it's just how I learned and how I came up. Mathematically, metric is much easier...
 
5-90 said:
The formulae will work either way - but I think in inches natively. As long as you're consistent with your units, you can work most of the basic formulae either way - when a formula is unit-specific for some reason, I'll let everyone know (and, if I can figure it out, I'll even let you know why...)

You're not the only "olde phart" here who doesn't work with the metric system - I learned in inches, I think in inches, and I convert anything metric into something I can think with...


Did you click on the link above? that was what i was comparing the CI AND Liters with.

and as far as standard and metric go...........well i couldn't have said it better!

Flash!
 
5-90 said:
from the basic stuff to Thermodynamic Analyses of the Otto Cycle Engine...

5-90

How about stuff on the Miller Cycle engine?

It took me a while to find any stuff on the Miller Cycle engine before I bought a car with one. Most of the stuff I’ve found has been really limited at best.


14-16psi dual intercooled supercharger
215HP from 2.3L and 26 MPG
Bones :skull1:
 
I'll cover the Miller cycle later - it's not well-suited for natural aspiration, as I recall. However, it does respond quite well to around 1/2-atm of boost or so...

There's also a "water" engine in the works now - I think Crower is doing it. It uses water and residual heat to make more energy. As I recall, it goes something like:

Intake Cycle (Fuel)
Compression Cycle (Fuel)
Combustion Cycle (Fuel)
Exhaust Cycle (Fuel)
Intake Cycle (Water)
Expansion Cycle (using water - replaces the compression and combustion cycle)
Exhaust Cycle (Water.)

So, I think it came out to be an "eight-cycle" engine, using residual heat from combustion to vapourise the water in a reduced volume (the power cycle from other cylinders serves to compress the atomised water, then the steam forces the piston down again. It's been a while since I read anything on it, and I'm sure there's more out there by now.)

So, we've got (for heat engines):
Otto Cycle (the usual gasoline engine)
Wankel Cycle (the old Mazda rotary engine)
Diesel Cycle (we all know what this one is)
Miller Cycle (more later. I think Mazda commercialised this one)
Crower Cycle (just discussed this one)

I think there are a couple more, but I haven't dug anything up on them yet. More on them, if and when.
 
5-90 said:
I'll cover the Miller cycle later - it's not well-suited for natural aspiration, as I recall. However, it does respond quite well to around 1/2-atm of boost or so...

Miller Cycle (more later. I think Mazda commercialized this one)

The Miller cycle won't run with out some forced induction. Positive intake manifold pressure is essential to the induction design. Mazda was the only company to bring this engine to a production car that I know of. It won several awards and was listed in the top ten engines for reliability for several of its production years.

Another engine is the Atkinson cycle engine .

Thermodynamic cycles:
Atkinson cycle
Brayton/Joule cycle
Carnot cycle
Combined cycle
Crower cycle
Diesel cycle
Ericsson cycle
Hirn cycle
Kalina cycle
Lenoir cycle
Linde-Hampson cycle
Miller cycle
Mixed/Dual Cycle
Otto cycle
Rankine cycle
Scuderi cycle
Stirling cycle
Two-stroke cycle
Bourke engine|Bourke cycle
Wankel cycle​
Bones :skull1:


Snip:
In engineering, the Miller cycle is a combustion process used in a type of four-stroke internal combustion engine. The Miller cycle was patented by Ralph Miller (engineer), an American engineer, in the 1940s.

This type of engine was first used in ships and stationary power-generating plants, but was adapted by Mazda for their KJ-ZEM V6, used in the Millenia sedan. More recently, Subaru has combined a Miller cycle flat-4 with a hybrid driveline for their "Turbo Parallel Hybrid" car, known as the Subaru B5-TPH.

A traditional Otto cycle engine uses four "strokes", of which two can be considered "high power" – the compression stroke (high power consumption) and power stroke (high power production). Much of the internal power loss of an engine is due to the energy needed to compress the charge during the compression stroke, so systems that reduce this power consumption can lead to greater efficiency.

In the Miller cycle, the intake valve is left open longer than it would be in an Otto cycle engine. In effect, the compression stroke is two discrete cycles: the initial portion when the intake valve is open and final portion when the intake valve is closed. This two-stage intake stroke creates the so called "fifth" cycle that the Miller cycle introduces. As the piston initially moves upwards in what is traditionally the compression stroke, the charge is partially expelled back out the still-open intake valve. Typically this loss of charge air would result in a loss of power. However, in the Miller cycle, this is compensated for by the use of a supercharger. The supercharger typically will need to be of the positive displacement type due its ability to produce boost at relatively low engine speeds. Otherwise, low-rpm torque will suffer.

A key aspect of the Miller cycle is that the compression stroke actually starts only after the piston has pushed out this "extra" charge and the intake valve closes. This happens at around 20% to 30% into the compression stroke. In other words, the actual compression occurs in the latter 70% to 80% of the compression stroke. The piston gets the same resulting compression as it would in a standard Otto cycle engine for less work.

The Miller cycle results in an advantage as long as the supercharger can compress the charge using less energy than the piston would use to do the same work. Over the entire compression range required by an engine, the supercharger is used to generate low levels of compression, where it is most efficient. Then, the piston is used to generate the remaining higher levels compression, operating in the range where it is more efficient than a supercharger. Thus the Miller cycle uses the supercharger for the portion of the compression where it is best, and the piston for the portion where it is best. In total, this reduces the power needed to run the engine by 10% to 15%. To this end, successful production engines using this cycle have typically used variable valve timing to effectively switch off the Miller cycle in regions of operation where it does not offer an advantage.

In a typical spark ignition engine, the Miller cycle yields an additional benefit. The intake air is first compressed by the supercharger and then cooled by an intercooler. This lower intake charge temperature, combined with the lower compression of the intake stroke, yields a lower final charge temperature than would be obtained by simply increasing the compression of the piston. This allows ignition timing to be altered to beyond what is normally allowed before the onset of detonation, thus increasing the overall efficiency still further.

Efficiency is increased by raising the compression ratio. In a typical gasoline engine, the compression ratio is limited due to self-ignition (detonation) of the compressed, and therefore hot, air/fuel mixture. Due to the reduced compression stroke of a Miller cycle engine, a higher overall cylinder pressure (supercharger pressure plus mechanical compression) is possible, and therefore a Miller cycle engine has better efficiency.

It should be noted that the benefits of utilizing positive displacement superchargers do not come without a cost. 15% to 20% of the power generated by a supercharged engine is usually required to do the work of driving the supercharger, which compresses the intake charge (also known as boost).

A similar delayed-valve closing method is used in some modern versions of Atkinson cycle engines, but without the supercharging. These engines are generally found on hybrid electric vehicles, where efficiency is the goal, and the power lost compared to the Miller cycle is made up through the use of electric motors.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_cycle"
 
Thanks for the list!

It had been a while since I'd read anything on the Miller cycle (I think it's in a supercharging book I've got around here some-damn-where...) but there were a few I hadn't heard of.

Granted, Googling "Heat Engine" will probably turn up more - and I see you did include the Stirling cycle...

This is going to take time, tho - I'm still keying in parts catalogues into my "MASTER" Excel sheets, so I can start manipulating them and doing data sorts that are bloody damn tedious to do by hand...
 
5-90 said:
Thanks for the list!


I'm no expert, I just play one on the net...

Actually I just cut and pasted from wikipedia. I have no idea what most of the list is.

My field is more concerned with the biochemical engine.

Bones :skull1:
 
Back
Top