Darky
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Who's talking about budgeting for prayer rugs?
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The Egyptians want the same freedoms that we have, that I agree and I wish them the best of luck coming up with what works for them. The Muslim Brotherhood want's something entirely different.
The bigger issue is, that the Muslim Brotherhood's objective is global domination and we since the US relies on OPEC countries for 61% of our current oil supply needs, the easiest way for them to gain control is to disrupt the supply lines and the price of EVERYTHING we consume skyrockets. http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/100726/top-7-us-oil-importers#
It's not like I'm suggesting that Muslim extremist will overthrow the US next month.......but we need to be very concerned about their subvertive movements within our borders.
On a similar note, there is a pattern of violence on the US/Mexican border towns and which emulates Muslim extremists. I don't recall hearing about mass beheadings 10 years ago in Mexico, now we hear about them every couple of weeks. Cell phone triggered car bombings are on the rise as well.
On July 6, 2010, the Kuwaiti newspaper al-Seyassah reported that Mexican authorities arrested a Mexican national who was working for Hezbollah, and that the Islamic terrorist group has been recruiting Mexicans with ties to Lebanon to set up terror cells along the border.
I'd like nothing more than for the US to be solely reliant on our own sources of energy, so we aren't leveraged into situations around the globe and compromising our security.
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What's so weird about it? Radical Islamic groups are a real problem in Europe. For various reasons they don't integrate into the societies there like they do here.
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It was sarcasm, directed at those with the "that'll never happen in the USA" attitude towards radical Muslim extremism.
Spent a little time on the Muslim Brotherhood site, their view of Obama is that he is weak:
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=27808
As I’ve written before, there is little I can now say to my Arab colleagues. We all got what we wished for (even the Muslim Brotherhood was rooting for Obama) – someone who seemed one of the more brilliant, inspiring, and unique American politicians in recent memory. He had a Muslim name, a Muslim family, lived in the Muslim world, and seemed to have an appreciation for the place of grievance in Arab life. What many Arabs have taken away from this is that the problem with U.S. foreign policy is a structural one. Because even with a “good” president, American foreign policy, as they see it, is quite bad. In short, the U.S. is now irredeemable in a way it never would have been under a President McCain.
Spent a little time on the Muslim Brotherhood site, their view of Obama is that he is weak:
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=27808
As I’ve written before, there is little I can now say to my Arab colleagues. We all got what we wished for (even the Muslim Brotherhood was rooting for Obama) – someone who seemed one of the more brilliant, inspiring, and unique American politicians in recent memory. He had a Muslim name, a Muslim family, lived in the Muslim world, and seemed to have an appreciation for the place of grievance in Arab life. What many Arabs have taken away from this is that the problem with U.S. foreign policy is a structural one. Because even with a “good” president, American foreign policy, as they see it, is quite bad. In short, the U.S. is now irredeemable in a way it never would have been under a President McCain.
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The Obama Administration IS doing something, letting the Great Community Organization plan unfold.......Workers of the World Unite!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3hvwTZX3o&feature=player_embedded#
Communist Party USA is praising Trumka for this efforts in Egypt:
http://peoplesworld.org/demonstrations-nationwide-strike-rock-egypt-world-labor-voices-solidarity/
Worker World Party
http://www.workers.org/2011/world/millions_against_mubarak_0210/
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Intelligence Committee Chair Feinstein doesn't understand what's shaking out in Egypt? Really? Just like she doesn't know anything about Communist China........or the fact that there are tunnels discovered between the US and Mexico which are identical in design and construction as the tunnels that Hamas uses to smuggle Iranian-funded arms from Egypt to Gaza.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFZzc5OY0pg&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFZzc5OY0pg&feature=player_detailpage
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I googled this:
"State of California, 7th-grade students at Excelsior Middle School in Discovery Bay, California adopted Muslim names, prayed on prayer rugs, and celebrated Ramadan under a state-mandated curriculum that requires instruction about various religions"
The hits were a big circle jerk either back to your link of American Thinker 2011 or some random articles circa November 2010....but nothing even six webpages deep into the search from 2006. A co-worker lives in Discovery Bay and his son is currently in HS so puts him about the correct age reange. I'll ask him tomorrow when he comes into work...but as of right now I'm throwing the :bs: flag on this story.
alibi: there was a link that stated there was no muslim unit of instruction for 7th grade level of comparative cultures.
"State of California, 7th-grade students at Excelsior Middle School in Discovery Bay, California adopted Muslim names, prayed on prayer rugs, and celebrated Ramadan under a state-mandated curriculum that requires instruction about various religions"
The hits were a big circle jerk either back to your link of American Thinker 2011 or some random articles circa November 2010....but nothing even six webpages deep into the search from 2006. A co-worker lives in Discovery Bay and his son is currently in HS so puts him about the correct age reange. I'll ask him tomorrow when he comes into work...but as of right now I'm throwing the :bs: flag on this story.
alibi: there was a link that stated there was no muslim unit of instruction for 7th grade level of comparative cultures.
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I have to hand it to the Egyptians. They have shown the world that people can affect change and they don't have to resort to blowing each other up to do it. Amazing! I have nothing but admiration for the way the anti-Mubarak protesters have conducted themselves during this entire ordeal. Now that the first step on the road to self determination has been made let us hope that they can stay the course and achieve their ultimate goals.
Interesting (and sad) how they link capitalism with racism, war, and repression. These anti-freedom agendas can be stopped by educating people on the folly of Socialism.
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It's really quite simple. People are motivated by their own self interest and always will be.
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Keep in mind that almost all the industry and manufacturing and such is owned and run by the Army. Think of Norinco in the Chinese sense. What I really found interesting is they manufacture the M-1 Abrams over there, I just thought it was just jeep.
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The guy who wants to accelerate Armegeddon and usher in the 12th Imam is cheering the unrest in the Middle East.
[SIZE=+1]Ahmadinejad Claims Egyptian Riots Work of 12th Imam (Muslim Messiah) [/SIZE]Posted on February 16 2011 2:45 pm | by Jeff Dunetz
Iranian President Ahmadinejad is at it again, in a speech made this past Friday on the 32nd anniversary of the overthrow of the Shah, he spoke of a New Middle East spurred by the by the Egyptian revolution and hastened by the 12th Imam.T
his new Middle East would be free of the United States and Israel, as he warned Egyptians to be watchful of America’s “friendly face.”
“We will soon see a new Middle East materialising without America and the Zionist regime and there will be no room for world arrogance (the West) in it,” Ahmadinejad told the cheering crowds who gathered despite the cold and cloudy weather.
“They (the United States) have adopted a friendly face and saying ‘we are friends of people of North Africa and Arab countries’, but be watchful and united. You will be victorious,” he said.
Then Ahmadinejad got a bit scary–he brought up his messianic beliefs saying the world was witnessing a revolution managed by Imam Mehdi, the 12th Shiite imam who disappeared down as a five-year-old in the 10th century and who Shiites believe would return on the judgment day when the world is covered with blood and chaos
“The final move has begun. We are in the middle of a world revolution managed by this dear (12th Imam). A great awakening is unfolding. One can witness the hand of Imam in managing it,” said Ahmadinejad.….
“Come and take away the Zionist regime which is the source of all crimes… take it away and liberate the region. Free the region and give it to the people and take this regime, which is the child of Satan (the United States), out.”
[SIZE=+1]Ahmadinejad Claims Egyptian Riots Work of 12th Imam (Muslim Messiah) [/SIZE]Posted on February 16 2011 2:45 pm | by Jeff Dunetz
Iranian President Ahmadinejad is at it again, in a speech made this past Friday on the 32nd anniversary of the overthrow of the Shah, he spoke of a New Middle East spurred by the by the Egyptian revolution and hastened by the 12th Imam.T
his new Middle East would be free of the United States and Israel, as he warned Egyptians to be watchful of America’s “friendly face.”
“We will soon see a new Middle East materialising without America and the Zionist regime and there will be no room for world arrogance (the West) in it,” Ahmadinejad told the cheering crowds who gathered despite the cold and cloudy weather.
“They (the United States) have adopted a friendly face and saying ‘we are friends of people of North Africa and Arab countries’, but be watchful and united. You will be victorious,” he said.
Then Ahmadinejad got a bit scary–he brought up his messianic beliefs saying the world was witnessing a revolution managed by Imam Mehdi, the 12th Shiite imam who disappeared down as a five-year-old in the 10th century and who Shiites believe would return on the judgment day when the world is covered with blood and chaos
“The final move has begun. We are in the middle of a world revolution managed by this dear (12th Imam). A great awakening is unfolding. One can witness the hand of Imam in managing it,” said Ahmadinejad.….
“Come and take away the Zionist regime which is the source of all crimes… take it away and liberate the region. Free the region and give it to the people and take this regime, which is the child of Satan (the United States), out.”
And the "twelvers" stir the pot...
Iranian Warships Bound for Syria Are Set to Transit Suez Canal, Israel Says
By ETHAN BRONNER
Published: February 16, 2011
JERUSALEM — Israel warned on Wednesday that two Iranian warships were poised to pass through the Suez Canal en route to Syria, something it called a provocation that had not happened in years.
The first word came from Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman in an address to a group of American Jewish leaders in Jerusalem. The speech, which hinted at a possible response, was closed to reporters, but Mr. Lieberman’s office issued a statement afterward with a partial text of what he said.
“Tonight, two Iranian warships are meant to pass through the Suez Canal to the Mediterranean Sea and reach Syria, something that has not happened in many years,” Mr. Lieberman said.
He noted that the move came on top of another provocation, an October visit to southern Lebanon by the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Mr. Ahmadinejad was warmly welcomed there by Hezbollah, the militant Shiite group that is one of Israel’s main enemies.
“Unfortunately, the international community is not showing readiness to deal with the recurring Iranian provocations,” Mr. Lieberman said. “The international community must understand that Israel cannot ignore these provocations forever.”
Later, Defense Minister Ehud Barak, in a somewhat lower-key statement from his office, added: “Israel is closely monitoring the movement of the Iranian ships and has updated friendly states on the issue. Israel will continue to monitor the movement of the ships.”
A member of the Suez board said that warships could pass through the canal only on the approval of the Egyptian Defense and Foreign Affairs Ministries, and that the canal authority had received no notice of such expected movement. However, he added that notice sometimes came only hours in advance.
Asked about the Israeli comments, Philip J. Crowley, a State Department spokesman, acknowledged that there were “two ships in the Red Sea” that the United States was watching. But he declined to say more, hedging when asked directly if the ships belonged to Iran.
Reuters reported a possible purpose for the ships’ movement, noting that Iran’s semiofficial Fars news agency reported on Jan. 26 that Iranian Navy cadets had been sent on a yearlong training mission to defend cargo ships and oil tankers against Somali pirates. The Fars report said they would travel via the Gulf of Aden into the Red Sea and on through the Suez Canal to the Mediterranean.
Mr. Lieberman said the movement of Iranian warships through the canal added to the decline in regional security. He said Israel’s fight against Iranian-sponsored violence was not its alone, but the responsibility of the entire Western world.
Israel has long accused Iran and Syria of providing missiles to Hezbollah, with which it fought a war in 2006. Israeli military officials said recently that Hezbollah had some 45,000 rockets and missiles buried underground that could be fired at Israel.
Mona El-Naggar contributed reporting from Cairo.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/world/middleeast/17suez.html
Iranian Warships Bound for Syria Are Set to Transit Suez Canal, Israel Says
By ETHAN BRONNER
Published: February 16, 2011
JERUSALEM — Israel warned on Wednesday that two Iranian warships were poised to pass through the Suez Canal en route to Syria, something it called a provocation that had not happened in years.
The first word came from Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman in an address to a group of American Jewish leaders in Jerusalem. The speech, which hinted at a possible response, was closed to reporters, but Mr. Lieberman’s office issued a statement afterward with a partial text of what he said.
“Tonight, two Iranian warships are meant to pass through the Suez Canal to the Mediterranean Sea and reach Syria, something that has not happened in many years,” Mr. Lieberman said.
He noted that the move came on top of another provocation, an October visit to southern Lebanon by the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Mr. Ahmadinejad was warmly welcomed there by Hezbollah, the militant Shiite group that is one of Israel’s main enemies.
“Unfortunately, the international community is not showing readiness to deal with the recurring Iranian provocations,” Mr. Lieberman said. “The international community must understand that Israel cannot ignore these provocations forever.”
Later, Defense Minister Ehud Barak, in a somewhat lower-key statement from his office, added: “Israel is closely monitoring the movement of the Iranian ships and has updated friendly states on the issue. Israel will continue to monitor the movement of the ships.”
A member of the Suez board said that warships could pass through the canal only on the approval of the Egyptian Defense and Foreign Affairs Ministries, and that the canal authority had received no notice of such expected movement. However, he added that notice sometimes came only hours in advance.
Asked about the Israeli comments, Philip J. Crowley, a State Department spokesman, acknowledged that there were “two ships in the Red Sea” that the United States was watching. But he declined to say more, hedging when asked directly if the ships belonged to Iran.
Reuters reported a possible purpose for the ships’ movement, noting that Iran’s semiofficial Fars news agency reported on Jan. 26 that Iranian Navy cadets had been sent on a yearlong training mission to defend cargo ships and oil tankers against Somali pirates. The Fars report said they would travel via the Gulf of Aden into the Red Sea and on through the Suez Canal to the Mediterranean.
Mr. Lieberman said the movement of Iranian warships through the canal added to the decline in regional security. He said Israel’s fight against Iranian-sponsored violence was not its alone, but the responsibility of the entire Western world.
Israel has long accused Iran and Syria of providing missiles to Hezbollah, with which it fought a war in 2006. Israeli military officials said recently that Hezbollah had some 45,000 rockets and missiles buried underground that could be fired at Israel.
Mona El-Naggar contributed reporting from Cairo.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/world/middleeast/17suez.html
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Still wondering which organizations are behind the uprising in Egypt?
Communist Party USA is celebrating a "victory" in Egypt. http://www.cpusa.org/egypt-a-people-s-victory/
So are the Revolutionary Socialists. http://www.permanentrevolution.net/?view=entry&entry=3263
Let's look at how this "victory" may play out for the "workers" in Egypt:
Communist Party USA is celebrating a "victory" in Egypt. http://www.cpusa.org/egypt-a-people-s-victory/
So are the Revolutionary Socialists. http://www.permanentrevolution.net/?view=entry&entry=3263
Let's look at how this "victory" may play out for the "workers" in Egypt:
As Hosni Mubarak relinquished power as Egypt's President, passing the office to his Vice President Omar Suleiman and control of some 80 million Egyptians to a Military Council, factors, neither political nor social have to be considered about the future of the country.
Egypt has no oil. insignificant industry, small amounts of natural gas. and 40 million people, who live on less than S2 a day and are about to become very hungry. Without figuring out how to feed the destitute bottom half of the Egyptian population, all the talk of "democracy" becomes window dressing!
Since the end of World War II. international subsidies (mostly from the United States), have been needed by Egypt to keep the price of bread, at a sufficiently low level, to prevent food riots. So the bread subsidy has continued for some sixty years, costing Cairo and its supporters about $2.74 billion a year. Over all. the government spends more on subsidies (bread, tea. sugar, gasoline), than it spends on health and education.
It will take some four months [June. 2011] before we learn of the extent of the damage to China's winter wheat crop, virtually all its grain production. Extremely low rainfall this winter parched more than 12.4 million acres of China's 34.6 million acres planted, and the next few weeks' weather will determine if the world faces a real shortage of corn.
Hoarding on the part of North African countries, starting with Algeria, already has pushed up the wheat price in the Mediterranean to a 20 percent premium over the price shown on the Chicago futures market. The immediate risk is that pre-emptive purchases of wheat will price the grain out of the reach of poor Egyptians, not to mention Pakistanis and Bengalis.
Moreover, if reserve-rich China, usually self-sufficient, goes into the world markets to buy millions of tons of corn and wheat their prices can. or will rise to an arbitrarily high level.
The root cause to the Egyptian uprising is that China's prosperity in Asia has created demands for grain, such that a minor supply disruption such as the 2010 droughts in Argentina and Russia caused huge price increases.
Egypt's rulers have had a good run as an American client. They have not yet begun to understand the enormity of Washington's abandonment of a reasonably faithful and consistent ally. Accustomed as they were to hypocrisy in all public discourse, the Egyptian rulers did not grasp President Barack Obama's obsession with the salvation of the world of his father and stepfather, the world, which his anthropologist mother labored her whole life to defend against globalization.
President Obama is prepared to gamble core U.S. interests on the sketchy proposition that Egypt will turn into a Muslim democracy. Washington alternates between sentimental blather and diplomatic backsliding. Many have been shocked and dismayed by the inconsistency, bordering on amateurism. of the U.S. response to events in Egypt.
First, the president, then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton then again the president's special envoy,
Frank Wisner, to Hosni Mubarak have oscillated between distancing themselves from one of our allies and calling for him to step down, further calls for him to do it a s soon as possible and then, taking a U-turn, endorsing an "orderly transition" headed by Omar Suleiman, his intelligence chief.
If Obama succeeds in forcing the Muslim Brotherhood into a new Egyptian regime. Mubarak's cronies really would be better off in London exile.
That implies a tsunami of capital (light and the disappearance of Egypt's managerial class who, feckless as they might be, nonetheless keep the economy working day by day. Already, Egypt's $I2 billion a year in tourist revenue has gone to zero and will take years to restore under the best of circumstances.
Within some 20 weeks, Egyptians could begin to starve. The government's immediate response is to spend more and has promised, as of February 5, that government subsidies would offset the rise in the world market price of food The government budget will help to "achieve social justice," a minister told the media.
But no one speaks as to how the budget will be funded
Egypt has no oil. insignificant industry, small amounts of natural gas. and 40 million people, who live on less than S2 a day and are about to become very hungry. Without figuring out how to feed the destitute bottom half of the Egyptian population, all the talk of "democracy" becomes window dressing!
Since the end of World War II. international subsidies (mostly from the United States), have been needed by Egypt to keep the price of bread, at a sufficiently low level, to prevent food riots. So the bread subsidy has continued for some sixty years, costing Cairo and its supporters about $2.74 billion a year. Over all. the government spends more on subsidies (bread, tea. sugar, gasoline), than it spends on health and education.
It will take some four months [June. 2011] before we learn of the extent of the damage to China's winter wheat crop, virtually all its grain production. Extremely low rainfall this winter parched more than 12.4 million acres of China's 34.6 million acres planted, and the next few weeks' weather will determine if the world faces a real shortage of corn.
Hoarding on the part of North African countries, starting with Algeria, already has pushed up the wheat price in the Mediterranean to a 20 percent premium over the price shown on the Chicago futures market. The immediate risk is that pre-emptive purchases of wheat will price the grain out of the reach of poor Egyptians, not to mention Pakistanis and Bengalis.
Moreover, if reserve-rich China, usually self-sufficient, goes into the world markets to buy millions of tons of corn and wheat their prices can. or will rise to an arbitrarily high level.
The root cause to the Egyptian uprising is that China's prosperity in Asia has created demands for grain, such that a minor supply disruption such as the 2010 droughts in Argentina and Russia caused huge price increases.
Egypt's rulers have had a good run as an American client. They have not yet begun to understand the enormity of Washington's abandonment of a reasonably faithful and consistent ally. Accustomed as they were to hypocrisy in all public discourse, the Egyptian rulers did not grasp President Barack Obama's obsession with the salvation of the world of his father and stepfather, the world, which his anthropologist mother labored her whole life to defend against globalization.
President Obama is prepared to gamble core U.S. interests on the sketchy proposition that Egypt will turn into a Muslim democracy. Washington alternates between sentimental blather and diplomatic backsliding. Many have been shocked and dismayed by the inconsistency, bordering on amateurism. of the U.S. response to events in Egypt.
First, the president, then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton then again the president's special envoy,
Frank Wisner, to Hosni Mubarak have oscillated between distancing themselves from one of our allies and calling for him to step down, further calls for him to do it a s soon as possible and then, taking a U-turn, endorsing an "orderly transition" headed by Omar Suleiman, his intelligence chief.
If Obama succeeds in forcing the Muslim Brotherhood into a new Egyptian regime. Mubarak's cronies really would be better off in London exile.
That implies a tsunami of capital (light and the disappearance of Egypt's managerial class who, feckless as they might be, nonetheless keep the economy working day by day. Already, Egypt's $I2 billion a year in tourist revenue has gone to zero and will take years to restore under the best of circumstances.
Within some 20 weeks, Egyptians could begin to starve. The government's immediate response is to spend more and has promised, as of February 5, that government subsidies would offset the rise in the world market price of food The government budget will help to "achieve social justice," a minister told the media.
But no one speaks as to how the budget will be funded
Much depends on the weather in China.
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Their words, not mine.
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If it is all seven of them, then I'd say its time to hit the panic button.
What really worries me is this socialist I know. He's still celebrating the Packers win in the Super Bowl.
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Hey! Me too! I am glad the cheese heads won.
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