CRASH
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Gil BullyKatz said:
That's a funky mid-year change thing that Ford is famous for. Could be a late 76 or early 77. Who cares, run it.
CRASH
Dana 44 Tech
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That's a funky mid-year change thing that Ford is famous for. Could be a late 76 or early 77. Who cares, run it.
CRASH
Gil BullyKatz
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CRASH said:
"zactly...
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Big Red said:I will probably stick with my 35" mtrs then. :tears: So a hp44 only gives you another 2" tire size increase from 33's to 35's over the hp30??? That really sucks, but the dana 44 does have alot of positives like true hi-steer, manual hubs, much lower gearing options etc, so it is still worth, I just really want to run my 37's, but I don't want to break down all the time either.
Thanks again Crash, can the appropriate person please sticky Crash's axle and gearing threads. They are the Bible here on.
Maybe we can create a section just for these threads that newbies and others looking to upgrade can refer to. A sticky modificaton section that will not get bogged down with too many responses.
Troy
Sounds like a Ford f350 HPD60 might be in your future :laugh3:
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Its info like this that makes me wonder why people of other on-line XJ groups call this NAXBLAHHHHH.
Okay, so I know why....there is a lot of 'I heard this works...' kinda thing...
but thanks Crash...your time and effert are noticed and appreciated!
Now we need to get you to do a write up on the 8.25 rear end!
RickR :sunshine:
Okay, so I know why....there is a lot of 'I heard this works...' kinda thing...
but thanks Crash...your time and effert are noticed and appreciated!
Now we need to get you to do a write up on the 8.25 rear end!
RickR :sunshine:
JnJ
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- San Antonio TX
Great tech, two things, like said before, watch out for vac waggy 44s and you don't HAVE TO rotate the knuckles, I was at 7" with longarms, waggy 44 without rotating the knuckles and it handled great even at highway speeds with no steering stablizer.
Big Red
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jeepme said:
No kidding but that's alot of weight up front, but plenty beefy. I still would be o.k. with my 35 spline 9", well maybe then I'd go up to a 40 spline 9" but I still would probably be o.k. with it.
I do still think that 35's are perfect on a XJ, but with my dana 44/9" combo I was hoping to move up to 37's to get more ground clearance to gain back with I lost with the bigger axles. Oh well, I rather have better peace of mind and run the 35's at least my $ will be in the right direction then, no use running 37's only to have the same problems I could of had with my 35's on my hp30. This is a visous cycle. :laugh3:
Troy
CW
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I don't see a reason why a 35 spline arb, alloy shafts, and ctms in a d44 wouldn't take 37's. I run 36's on stock shafts and joints and have never had a problem, but I don't see rocks much either.
explorer
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Some would say your not wheeling it hard enough. I would say your just a good, sensible driver.
CRASH
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CW said:
Well, how about this?:
The last 3 times I've wheeled with Goatman (6 month span) he has broken SOMETHING in the front end. That included two stubs, two hubs and a CTM. All on 37's.
In the previous 4 years, when he was on 35's, he broke exactly once, a CTM.
CRASH
CW said:
No one makes a 35 spline shaft with a 297 sized joint. You wouldn't end up getting much strength if they did because the joint, stub, and hub are so much weaker than the shaft. Would be almost pointless. I highly doubt anyone ever makes a shaft for that combo.
Personally I think a 44 center section with 35 spline ARB and 60 outters would be a good setup. If your going to a very big tire or a bunch of power the ring gear strength might end up being an issue. Stay tuned.
ChuckD
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CRASH said:
Maybe he is just getting sloppy in his old age.
ChuckD said:Maybe he is just getting sloppy in his old age.
You might be on to something there. Other options could be he is becoming blind and can't tell how big stuff is (could explain the broken housing) or he might be getting arthritis is his right ankle causing spasms at the wrong time.
BrettM
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CRASH said:
:laugh3:
A lot of GREAT info here CRASH, thanks!
All the 80+ Waggys are good donors, except watch out for the vacuum disco in 83-85. You'll notice it, it's a box on the diff cover with several vacuum lines coming out.
Rotating knuckles is a must on a LP D44. I like my caster at 6 degrees, but that puts the pinion both very, very close to the ground, and gives a terrible driveshaft angle (7" lift with front axle 2" forward) that would bind easily under droop. Rotating isn't that hard, just takes a little time. I rotated mine 16 degrees higher than stock, this is actually higher than pointing right at the t-case because I wanted to both prevent u-joint bind and get better pinion/driveshaft clearance. I also don't use my 4wd except in 4low, I have selectable hubs, and I lengthened my driveshaft myself so it isn't balanced anyway.
If you use stock shafts with 760x joints, WELD THE CAPS IN. 35s on Sierra rocks, this combo has survived one tough summer and a little snow wheelin. I attribute much of this to the ARB keeping the stress off the shafts 99% of the time that I don't use it.
Something that may be worth adding to this writeup is the gear ratios available (I'll keep it to offroad friendly ratios, info fromhere ):
Low Pinion:
4.09 (standard and thick, for a 3.73down carrier)
4.27
4.55
4.56 (thick gears)
4.88 (thick gears)
4.89
5.13
5.38
5.89
High Pinion
4.09
4.56
4.88
5.13
5.38
As for aftermarket, this is just cool
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CRASH
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Thanks for the guidance on the LP pinion rotation stuff, as you know, I avoid them like the plague!
Thanks for the ratios, I forgot that.
I need edit powers so that I can edit the original post and include all this good stuff for the newbs with a short attention span.
CRASH
Thanks for the ratios, I forgot that.
I need edit powers so that I can edit the original post and include all this good stuff for the newbs with a short attention span.
CRASH
afd516
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I am in the process of building a 35 spine 9'' for the rear and a 76 "waggy" D44 for the front. This is a learning process for me and I was under the impression (not from this forum) that you could run larger tires than 35". Apperently, I was mistaken. This being the case, what becomes the weak link and what do I have to do to the D44 to make it strong enough to go with larger tires? I would like to run Interco TSL 38". Also, is there an aftermarket bracket kit to install the D44 into my XJ? Do I try to use the stock brakets or do I need to fabricate some new ones? I have the ability to do any of the options just what would be best? This is not a daily driver, its an expensive toy. Thanks in advance to any responses.
CRASH
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afd516 said:
I guess the post should have included my standard disclaimer:
I like to play in big, gnarly rocks. Rocks with sharp edges and undercuts. Rocks with plenty of traction and tight turns. Your mileage may vary in slipery conditions.
You may not believe this, but I have an aquaintance who has broken 23 (twenty-three) D-44 front axleshafts with 38's. He never even left the mild rock trails of NorCal. Gawd knows what the tally would have been running the serious rocks of the SoCal desert and Az.
He upgraded to a 60, as should you.
CRASH
afd516
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Well that is a suggestion that I never thought of. That would not be a problem. It would not be any less work and I can return the D44 to the yard I got it from. My brother works there so I would not be out any money. As for the D60 out of what should I try to obtain this from. You know, now that you mention it what do you think about another 9" in the front, other than the obvios cost and fabrication? There is still the question of bracketry.
CRASH
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afd516 said:
In the "Axles for Rocks" thread I started, you'll see mention of the TruHi9. That's what you'd want for a front axle application. www.truehi9.com.
You'd want to pair it with 35 spline shafts and a 332x u-joints. This means all Dana 60 outers. Definately not a junkyard proposition, but very cool and stout.
I'd look for a 60 from a 77-79 Ford truck, thay have a bit more room on the driver's side for a coil spring bucket and LCA bracket than the 80+ Fords. Those trucks moved the center section toward the driver's side tire in order to make room for the aforementioned TTB (gay) engine crossmember/suspension mount.
CRASH
afd516
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I am aware of the 9" with D60 outers and for what I am thinking I will put this thing through, that may be my best option. Better to spend the time and money now rather than working on it on the trail because I didn't "do it right the first time". Thanks, Crash, for your expertise and pointing me in the right direction. Sam
