Curveball

[Ronbo]

know who else is a beast? the US war machine. spreading fear and over a million dead in the span of what, 5 years? what, are we trying to one-up saddamn? cause we did.

you cant stoop to these peoples levels, but we're lower than they are now, we torture, we allow soldiers to rape other soldiers, with impunity we're just as bad.

im not saying saddamn was a good guy, im saying we as a country, are just as bad, if not worse. we have the budget to XXXX shit up on a monumental scale.

Never left America, eh?

 

[RichP]

Gosh, you got me there. There is absolutely no evidence that he had any way to deliver chemical weapons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDeeJGpNKAI

Depends on how far he wants to deliver them, his scuds could reach Israel, his artillery could reach 25 miles whether it was US 155 or russ 152's. They used chemical weapons for over 15 years, more so than any other nation that I'm aware of. Does the name Gerald Bull ring any bells, we or someone else knocked him off.

 

[Ralph]

Something else Margolis has written.

http://www.ericmargolis.com/political_commentaries/--the-mother-of-all-coincidences.aspx

 

[Crawler]

They had them... and plenty of time to move them into Syria.

Is that a slam dunk?

I think so... but still probably not enough so to justify the invasion.

Apparently these agents once prepared have a relatively short shelf-life and may very well be useless by now.
Not too sure about the precursors, though.


A few interesting links:

http://earlytoday.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/iraqs-wmd-secreted-in-syria-general-sada-says/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7LGeYr1hiQ

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/satellite-photos-support-testimony-that-iraqi-wmd-went-to-syria/

http://www.worldthreats.com/?cat=19

 

[RichP]

Interesting muslim students view.

http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=8982

 

[Boatwrench]

If we are so bad, why don't you move?

Typical.

 

[Boatwrench]

But as former UN arms inspector Scott Ritter has observed, all leftover WMDs from the 1980s have a shelf-life of only 3-5 years and are no longer lethal.

I wouldn't bet my life on that sentence.

 

[RichP]

I wouldn't bet my life on that sentence.

Very true, we worked with stuff that was over 20 and just as deadly as when it was new and you always kept the cana handy no matter what the date on the cannister.

 

[Rod Knee]

Interesting links Ralph, Crawler, and Rich. Thanks. If the reports about the transport of WMDs to Syria are valid, and I have no basis to say they are not, then Curveball is a bit of a liar about having lied.


Somehow I don’t find it reassuring that in circumstances calling for heightened surveillance either the convoys where not noticed or no one in intelligence “connected the dots”. I might have thought that convoys of trucks and jumbo jets would have raised a red flag given the times.

 

[Rod Knee]

I wouldn't bet my life on that sentence.

I'd bet that that pun was intentional.

 

[RichP]

Also remember he got all his expensive planes out of the country to Iran and Syria.

 

[420BlackXJ]

I don't know why to believe when it comes to all the accusations and counter accusations about who knew or who lied or if there were or if there weren't. What I have always found fishy is this question: If Saddam had nothing to hide, why did he continually block weapons inspections?

If inspectors were allowed in, that would reveal the true vulnerability of his regime; to expose that he actually had NO WMD. He needed a deterrent to the possibility of toppling his government.

 

[Ralph]

If inspectors were allowed in, that would reveal the true vulnerability of his regime; to expose that he actually had NO WMD. He needed a deterrent to the possibility of toppling his government.

Seriously? How does that make sense?

 

[MT Mike]

If inspectors were allowed in, that would reveal the true vulnerability of his regime; to expose that he actually had NO WMD. He needed a deterrent to the possibility of toppling his government.

Seriously? How does that make sense?

It makes perfect sense when your mind is riddled with THC. :greensmok

 

[420BlackXJ]

Seriously? How does that make sense?

Think about it this way:
If I am unarmed, but I give the illusion of a big gun in my possession, you gonna XXXX with me?

 

[420BlackXJ]

It makes perfect sense when your mind is riddled with THC. :greensmok

So it makes perfect sense to you. Good. At least someone is paying attention.:flame:

 

[MT Mike]

So it makes perfect sense to you. Good. At least someone is paying attention.:flame:

Yawn. Nice try.

 

[kastein]

I wouldn't be surprised if Saddam had tried to keep ambiguity going simply because it scared his neighbors into not messing with him. He seems to have misjudged how far it would get him in dealing with the US though... the fact that our source lied doesn't prove he didn't have them, just that our source lied. It does reduce the proof that he had them, obviously, but it was one piece in the puzzle not everything, and for many years it was clear that he was trying to get WMDs, or even had them (in the case of his gassing the Kurds and the Iranians.)

 

[420BlackXJ]

I wouldn't be surprised if Saddam had tried to keep ambiguity going simply because it scared his neighbors into not messing with him. He seems to have misjudged how far it would get him in dealing with the US though...

I couldn't have said it better myself. Clear Ralph?
And FU MTMike Just another bush apologist.

 

[Ralph]

Think about it this way:
If I am unarmed, but I give the illusion of a big gun in my possession, you gonna XXXX with me?

What doesn't make sense is that we had already kicked the crap out of him and we were perfectly able to continue to kick the crap out of him whether he had them or not. He knew this. He didn't have anything to fear from anyone except us. He certainly didn't fear other Iraqis. We know he was producing chemical weapons in 1988 because he was using them in 1988. It's not a big stretch to believe he still had that capability after the first gulf war in 1990/91. Had inspectors found them, it wouldn't have been a surprise. He would have had to destroy them and that would have been it. But he didn't do that. He blocked or delayed inspections continuously. Why? Is it possible that he did have them and didn't want to lose them? That by blocking inspectors he was able to play a shell game of moving them around so they wouldn't be found? I don't know the answer and I haven't seen any proof that definitively points in either direction. What I ask is if it's within the realm of possibility given what we do know.