Colorado B/S Thread

[proracedriver616]

Re: The Colorado BS thread

I don't agree with you guys, did you forget the basics of lifting a vehicle and off-roading? Breakover angle and belly clearance seem very important to me, the higher the belly the less chance of getting high centered. Why do you think so many people do a 1" motor mount lift in wranglers so they can build a flat belly that doesn't hang down below the framerails.

And you can't even begin to compare any XJ/MJ/YJ/TJ build to a 4400 buggy! They need their links as flat as possible to handle whoops and jumps at 100+ mph. They do "kill it in the desert" but not in the rocks, they muscle and bash and slide their way through the rocks with the help of 500 hp. If you guys have ever wheeled a trail with anyone who owns a 4400 buggy I think you would agree that they are more then capable of "rock crawling" but definitely not nearly as good as a purpose built crawling buggy or even a really well built wrangler for that matter. Their main focus is being a race truck, winning races, hauling ass through the desert and maintaining speed/not getting stuck in the rock sections. It's a lot harder to get high centered when you are going 30 mph through a rock section that any of us would be going 3 mph through.

 

[Gotlift01]

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Nope, I didn't forget any basics. The whole debate started with the MJ....which looks like it's purpose built for more of the Ultra 4 style....which to me looks like it'd do well. It's a good compromise for a multi purpose buggy.

Now would I build something like that for just a dedicated crawler and no go fast stuff.... absolutely not. But would I take a dedicated crawler with massive amounts of belly clearance and bomb through the desert...hell no. I think a lot of people these days are looking for more multipurpose rather than just excel in one area.

Different strokes for different folks :cheers:

 

[1-tonxj]

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Can"t decide on coilovers or new tires...the 44s are like 15 yrs old but near full tread the suspension can be dialed in better with cheap coil and shocks ect...so I figure my cash best spent on some 17s and sticky 42 trepadors $3,000 for tires and $1500 17 wheel the cost hurts so much because I need tobuy the wheels...lol...I figure the rubber will probably be the biggest bang for my $5,000...

 

[DutchVDub]

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A lot of the WE-Rock buggies were still only running 20-22" of belly height.

 

[1-tonxj]

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Nope, I didn't forget any basics. The whole debate started with the MJ....which looks like it's purpose built for more of the Ultra 4 style....which to me looks like it'd do well. It's a good compromise for a multi purpose buggy.

Now would I build something like that for just a dedicated crawler and no go fast stuff.... absolutely not. But would I take a dedicated crawler with massive amounts of belly clearance and bomb through the desert...hell no. I think a lot of people these days are looking for more multipurpose rather than just excel in one area.

Different strokes for different folks :cheers:

I'd rather a rig to excel in the area of wheeling that the area I live in offers a multi purpouse rig does no one type of terrain the best ...folks who have the cash to entertain many motorsoort hobbies have rigs built for them not one for 5 diffetent things .

 

[DutchVDub]

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I disagree, the entire emphasis of Ultra4 is building rigs that can do more than just bomb down the desert or creepy crawl over rocks. If I was personally building a Comp buggy then yes, I would build it for the specific series I was competing in. But for my personal recreational wheeler I want it to be capable of going through a broad range of terrain so that I can use it in as many places as possible.

 

[1-tonxj]

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I disagree, the entire emphasis of Ultra4 is building rigs that can do more than just bomb down the desert or creepy crawl over rocks. If I was personally building a Comp buggy then yes, I would build it for the specific series I was competing in. But for my personal recreational wheeler I want it to be capable of going through a broad range of terrain so that I can use it in as many places as possible.

And in Colorado you have rocks and trails with rocks , so how diverse do you need to be ? ....lol...just saying .

 

[1-tonxj]

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I'm wondering how true to 42 inches the Sticky swaper Irok measures vs the 42 Trepador ...lol...Interco offers the Irok sticky in a 15 wheel I still have 5 mrw 15 beadlocks sitting that never went on the 44s I have no ambition to spend $1500 on 17 beadlocks if I do not need to ...would like to see the 42 Trep mounted next to a 42 Irok sticky both a street pressure to see if the Maxxis is any bigger I do not think for crawling the Maxxis trep would be a noteworth performer over the sticky Irok , so it just comes down to size ...can soneone on here buy both tires and post pics...lol

 

[DutchVDub]

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And in Colorado you have rocks and trails with rocks , so how diverse do you need to be ? ....lol...just saying .

Ok, first of all why would I limit myself to just Colorado? Secondly, if we are limiting ourselves to CO then there are only a handful of trails that require more than a limited slip and 33's. So.... why are you running 40's?

 

[DutchVDub]

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I'm wondering how true to 42 inches the Sticky swaper Irok measures vs the 42 Trepador ...lol...Interco offers the Irok sticky in a 15 wheel I still have 5 mrw 15 beadlocks sitting that never went on the 44s I have no ambition to spend $1500 on 17 beadlocks if I do not need to ...would like to see the 42 Trep mounted next to a 42 Irok sticky both a street pressure to see if the Maxxis is any bigger I do not think for crawling the Maxxis trep would be a noteworth performer over the sticky Irok , so it just comes down to size ...can soneone on here buy both tires and post pics...lol

If I remember correctly my 42" Irok radials measured pretty close to size. They were for a 17" rim though. My 36" bias ply Iroks for a 15" rim measured almost 37" at half tread. My 39.5" bias ply Iroks for 20" wheels were barely 38" at 1/3 tread.

Interco lists their true size as well as the branded size on their website. I really liked the 36" and 42" Iroks, I hated my 39.5" ones.

 

[1-tonxj]

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If I remember correctly my 42" Irok radials measured pretty close to size. They were for a 17" rim though. My 36" bias ply Iroks for a 15" rim measured almost 37" at half tread. My 39.5" bias ply Iroks for 20" wheels were barely 38" at 1/3 tread.

Interco lists their true size as well as the branded size on their website. I really liked the 36" and 42" Iroks, I hated my 39.5" ones.

The interco website lists all the 42 at. 42 ,But filthymotorsports had them at about 41.5 and the 16 was only 40.6 in the size and spec listings for tbe comp sticky version , which the 15 wheel option is only reason I am considering the Irok as there are tons of 42-44 choices for 15s in dot rubber...And who is on 40s ?...those taint 40s in my meet and greet pics .

Aftet revisiting Intetco's website I scrolled over and found the same 41.5 and 40.6 od listings , however they list the 44s at 44.2 and my tires at 90% or better do not measure that off the XJ ...maybe 42 ish ...but if the Treps are no bigger than the Iroks I will save the wheel money by buying the Irok ... lol...I have seen one rig running the treps who swears they are the best and Iroks suck , but he is also sporting a big MAXXIS banner on the front of his shop , so most likely he did not pay street price for most of the stuff on his Green TJ including the rubber ...lol...pretty easy to cheer a product on when it is good and you get it at cost.

 

[Gotlift01]

Re: The Colorado BS thread

I disagree, the entire emphasis of Ultra4 is building rigs that can do more than just bomb down the desert or creepy crawl over rocks. If I was personally building a Comp buggy then yes, I would build it for the specific series I was competing in. But for my personal recreational wheeler I want it to be capable of going through a broad range of terrain so that I can use it in as many places as possible.

Bingo. Here the last couple years, I've spent more time out in the desert and on the Hammers trails, than I have wheelin' here in Colorado. I want a rig that can perform in a multitude of places, not just crawl over rocks.

 

[xj-grin]

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Big thanks to Fred to helping with an impromptu flat on stomper, and To Dutch the the somewhat rough tow to the back yard - stomper is finally out of the way and to a place I might actually be able to work on it - gracias! :cheers:

 

[DutchVDub]

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No problem Chris, it was good to see you again.

 

[xj-grin]

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Always nice to see you too, man, thanks again.

 

[md21722]

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Great teamwork. Any pictures? :cheers:

 

[in4aride]

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Moab was awesome. Great weather. Empty trails. The tacomas did great. (Even got ash to drive hells gate, no traction devices and 33's). And all damage free. Great weekend. Thanks unltdmatt and t2gd

 

[xj-grin]

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Great teamwork. Any pictures? :cheers:

no action photos, but a couple of stills... I had a shuffle vehicle weekend. First we pulled/pushed/rolled my buddy's '55 F100 out of my loafing shed where it has lived for about 3 years -its going to get a full on restoration with some modern appointments (i.e. power brakes/steering):


moved my pop-up camper into its spot, and out of the driveway, and moved the MJ utility trailer around back too. Then moved the stomper out of its semi-grave in the driveway up around back... armstrong steering on a locked 1-ton on 37's has left me a touch sore today, but Dutch rocked the right lines in pulling it back there on a strap. New home where I can access it and might actually get er going:

 

[1-tonxj]

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Neighbor told me a truck is only as good as the rubber on the trailer the truck rides on...He is a Ford Man...;-)

 

[DutchVDub]

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He must've said Chevy or Dodge Truck and you just chose to ignore it.