YELLAHEEP
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- Littleton, Colorado
Colorado B/S Thread
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SolarBell
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- Wheat Ridge, CO
Re: The Colorado BS thread
I don't think he actually owns a bender. Everything looks like straight tube cut at angles.
I don't think he actually owns a bender. Everything looks like straight tube cut at angles.
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- Thornton, CO
Re: The Colorado BS thread
He did it on purpose, pretty sure it's a member here. He specifically chose square over what you would typically see for strength concerns. There is a thread somewhere about it.
He did it on purpose, pretty sure it's a member here. He specifically chose square over what you would typically see for strength concerns. There is a thread somewhere about it.
skycrawler
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Re: The Colorado BS thread
cheap tubing never works guys..
cheap tubing never works guys..
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- Golden, CO
Re: The Colorado BS thread
O.M.G!!!!!!! Do you see that?????????????????
Hint: 0:30 and 2:35.
O.M.G!!!!!!! Do you see that?????????????????
Hint: 0:30 and 2:35.
Re: The Colorado BS thread
Despite the builder using a kinked section of tube and hiding it on the driver side d-pillar it has held up fine ,which is attributed to it being built well ...This will outlast the XJ with all 90s and no internal bracing and in many spots on this cage you can't fit a sheet of paper between the body and Tube work the halo has only a slight gap of daylight . This XJ weighs 5600lbs .
The Material is 1.75 .120 wall HREW ...DOM would just be wasted money over HREW . DOM and HREW if both same qaulity steel will both be of equal hardness ,which means same dent resistence as DOM is not a material but a process in which a sheet of steel is bent into tubular shape and then WELDED at the SEAM VS HREW which is bent in a different process but starts out as the same sheet of steel and is WELDED at the SEAM just the same . the process of DOM makes it have better tolerances and a higher tensile strengh ,but HREW is plenty strong and it is just as HARD as steel bent in the DOM process . The common argument for DOM vs HREW is DOM has no seam so it will still be good if you dent it VS HREW not ...lol...well if you dent a tube of either process it has lost its structural strengh ,and then it is claimed since DOM has no "seam" it will take a beating better than HREW , well back to the material which started as a sheet of steel being bent into a tubular shape , and you can easily see why most arguments made as to why HREW is not for cages is CRACK logic .
Despite the builder using a kinked section of tube and hiding it on the driver side d-pillar it has held up fine ,which is attributed to it being built well ...This will outlast the XJ with all 90s and no internal bracing and in many spots on this cage you can't fit a sheet of paper between the body and Tube work the halo has only a slight gap of daylight . This XJ weighs 5600lbs .
The Material is 1.75 .120 wall HREW ...DOM would just be wasted money over HREW . DOM and HREW if both same qaulity steel will both be of equal hardness ,which means same dent resistence as DOM is not a material but a process in which a sheet of steel is bent into tubular shape and then WELDED at the SEAM VS HREW which is bent in a different process but starts out as the same sheet of steel and is WELDED at the SEAM just the same . the process of DOM makes it have better tolerances and a higher tensile strengh ,but HREW is plenty strong and it is just as HARD as steel bent in the DOM process . The common argument for DOM vs HREW is DOM has no seam so it will still be good if you dent it VS HREW not ...lol...well if you dent a tube of either process it has lost its structural strengh ,and then it is claimed since DOM has no "seam" it will take a beating better than HREW , well back to the material which started as a sheet of steel being bent into a tubular shape , and you can easily see why most arguments made as to why HREW is not for cages is CRACK logic .
Re: The Colorado BS thread
O.M.G!!!!!!! Do you see that?????????????????
This was b4 Charlie was "winning"
Hint: 0:30 and 2:35.
Re: The Colorado BS thread
Well put a new rear bumper on the Dodge about 2-3 weeks ago after it got hit in aparking lot ,and today I dented that brand new bumper while taking it out for test drive I had pulled into the nation forest and parked at the turn around was another Dodge long bed so I had to stop instead just keep rolling in 2wd and the wd did not want to pop in with moving a bit so it slid on the wet snow into a tree stump ,So I'll be ordering a brand new bumper AGAIN...lol...maybe I should wait until summer ?
Well put a new rear bumper on the Dodge about 2-3 weeks ago after it got hit in aparking lot ,and today I dented that brand new bumper while taking it out for test drive I had pulled into the nation forest and parked at the turn around was another Dodge long bed so I had to stop instead just keep rolling in 2wd and the wd did not want to pop in with moving a bit so it slid on the wet snow into a tree stump ,So I'll be ordering a brand new bumper AGAIN...lol...maybe I should wait until summer ?
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Re: The Colorado BS thread
Sitting with a bowl of popcorn, a beer, the soup started for my sick wife, and my Raider Hater shirt on, prepared to be disappointed or pleased. GO BRONCOS!!!
Sitting with a bowl of popcorn, a beer, the soup started for my sick wife, and my Raider Hater shirt on, prepared to be disappointed or pleased. GO BRONCOS!!!
DutchVDub
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Re: The Colorado BS thread
I'd like more details on the pic that Skycrawler posted. That had to be a pretty damn hard roll or he used conduit for the cage instead of mild steel tubing. My 92 XJ looked about the same (opposite side being crushed though) with no doors or cage and that was a pretty hard roll. If that cage was made out of HREW or DOM of a decent size then it must have been a rather violent roll.
When it comes to cages for your typical recreational wheeler I am a firm believer in using DOM on the main hoops and HREW on triangulating pieces. I also believe strongly that 1.75x.120 tubing should be used on a free standing cage while 1.5x.120 tubing is acceptable on a cage that is properly integrated into the structure of the vehicle. To break is down into our terms 1.75x.120 for a Wrangler and 1.5x.120 for an XJ assuming that the cage on the XJ is tied into the structure of the XJ. The pillars of the cage should be stitch welded to the pillars of the jeep using connecting gussets and the tubing should be as tight as possible to the body, either internally or externally. Another very important thing is the mounting points themselves. Floor plates should be at least 1/8" thick and of sufficient size to distribute the load being transferred to the floor. If you are welding the plates to the floor then only a top plate is needed. If its going to bolted to the floor then you need a bottom plate too. The plates should be of different size so as to not cause a sheering effect on the floor.
The advantage of the XJ being unit body is that you can basically make the cage and the body one piece and they're reinforce each other.
I also like to look at the rule books from sanctioning race bodies. SCCA specifies that 1.5x.120 wall DOM is acceptable for vehicles weighing 2700lbs or more, however they do not allow ERW of any type. Ultra4 specifies that for vehicles of our weight 2x.120 is needed, they don't allow HREW but do allow CREW.
I do believe in a bit of common sense however too. I'm not running my Jeep down the open desert or around a track at the speeds the SCCA and Ultra4 vehicles are.
The WERock stock modified class rules are probably the most applicable to us. They limit your tire size to 35" which may or may not be smaller than what we run, but the type of wheeling is similar and/or beyond what we do on our trails. They go slow over big rocks and obstacles, we go slow over little ones.
WERock Stock Modified Class Roll Cage rules state:
Take it for what its worth, and everybody has a different opinion, evening different sanctioning bodies. In the end unless you are competing you can do what ever you wish and they type of wheeling you are doing will dictate how much protection you really need.
I'd like more details on the pic that Skycrawler posted. That had to be a pretty damn hard roll or he used conduit for the cage instead of mild steel tubing. My 92 XJ looked about the same (opposite side being crushed though) with no doors or cage and that was a pretty hard roll. If that cage was made out of HREW or DOM of a decent size then it must have been a rather violent roll.
When it comes to cages for your typical recreational wheeler I am a firm believer in using DOM on the main hoops and HREW on triangulating pieces. I also believe strongly that 1.75x.120 tubing should be used on a free standing cage while 1.5x.120 tubing is acceptable on a cage that is properly integrated into the structure of the vehicle. To break is down into our terms 1.75x.120 for a Wrangler and 1.5x.120 for an XJ assuming that the cage on the XJ is tied into the structure of the XJ. The pillars of the cage should be stitch welded to the pillars of the jeep using connecting gussets and the tubing should be as tight as possible to the body, either internally or externally. Another very important thing is the mounting points themselves. Floor plates should be at least 1/8" thick and of sufficient size to distribute the load being transferred to the floor. If you are welding the plates to the floor then only a top plate is needed. If its going to bolted to the floor then you need a bottom plate too. The plates should be of different size so as to not cause a sheering effect on the floor.
The advantage of the XJ being unit body is that you can basically make the cage and the body one piece and they're reinforce each other.
I also like to look at the rule books from sanctioning race bodies. SCCA specifies that 1.5x.120 wall DOM is acceptable for vehicles weighing 2700lbs or more, however they do not allow ERW of any type. Ultra4 specifies that for vehicles of our weight 2x.120 is needed, they don't allow HREW but do allow CREW.
I do believe in a bit of common sense however too. I'm not running my Jeep down the open desert or around a track at the speeds the SCCA and Ultra4 vehicles are.
The WERock stock modified class rules are probably the most applicable to us. They limit your tire size to 35" which may or may not be smaller than what we run, but the type of wheeling is similar and/or beyond what we do on our trails. They go slow over big rocks and obstacles, we go slow over little ones.
WERock Stock Modified Class Roll Cage rules state:
4.16.1:
Six (6) point mounting cages covering the driver are required.
4.16.2:
OEM bars are approved for a portion of the roll cage.
4.16.3:
Handles are required on the interior portion of the roll-cage or vehicle.
4.16.4:
Round steel tubing (D.O.M Preferred) 1.5” O.D with 0.120” wall is compulsory for the
basic roll cage. Aluminum and/or soft metals are not permitted. Roll bar construction must be
welded. A W.E.ROCK official must approve roll cages made of other material or in other wall
thickness/diameters.
4.16.5:
Connection positions of the roll cage must tie in to the frame of the vehicle; Body mounts
are considered a tie in point.
4.16.6:
The front-most position must be no farther toward the rear of the vehicle than fifteen (15)
inches behind the throttle and brake pedals.
4.16.7:
The Cage must have a space no wider than 24” above the driver’s head, and at least 1
spreader bar between the front main bar and rear main bar are required unless the cage top is
24” wide or less.
4.16.8:
Gussets must be welded in the four corners of the “halo”. Gussets may be tubing or plate
steel.
4.16.9:
A minimum of.040 magnetic expanded or flat sheet metal, or 1/8” aluminum, must cover
the area immediately over the driver seat and be welded or bolted to the roll cage. Steel tubing
must surround the roof panel.
4.16.10:
W.E.ROCK recommends a spreader bar to be mounted under the dash area to connect
the right and left “A” pillars.
4.16.11:
If doors are not ran, a bar running from the “B” pillar, at approximately shoulder height, to
the “A” pillar, at approximately shin height, must be ran. This can be a bolt in piece.
4.16.12: A “periscope bar” (a bar sticking straight up from the roll cage) is not allowedTake it for what its worth, and everybody has a different opinion, evening different sanctioning bodies. In the end unless you are competing you can do what ever you wish and they type of wheeling you are doing will dictate how much protection you really need.
skycrawler
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Re: The Colorado BS thread
its been painted and for sale a few time in the last few years.
http://farmington.craigslist.org/cto/4798233659.html
its been painted and for sale a few time in the last few years.
http://farmington.craigslist.org/cto/4798233659.html
eflores
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Re: The Colorado BS thread
I've officially posted in every chapter forum...and then was promptly respammed by lowrange2
Go buy a god dammed calendar http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1117020
I've officially posted in every chapter forum...and then was promptly respammed by lowrange2
Go buy a god dammed calendar http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1117020
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- Golden, CO
Re: The Colorado BS thread
I don't have no stinkin' paypal, don't want no stinkin' paypal.
For three calendars?
I don't have no stinkin' paypal, don't want no stinkin' paypal.
Blk92XJguy
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Re: The Colorado BS thread
So I still have to do my inspection test for my Jeeps. Do you guys know if they like tinted taillights/headlights?
I have LED bulbs and HID projectors so visibility is still very much there.
When my lights are on, you can't tell they're tinted, so maybe just keep my lights on the whole time? lol
So I still have to do my inspection test for my Jeeps. Do you guys know if they like tinted taillights/headlights?
I have LED bulbs and HID projectors so visibility is still very much there.
When my lights are on, you can't tell they're tinted, so maybe just keep my lights on the whole time? lol
eflores
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Re: The Colorado BS thread
i not aware of any safety inspection in CO
you have a vin verification and then a smog test
i not aware of any safety inspection in CO
you have a vin verification and then a smog test
jeepdude25
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Re: The Colorado BS thread
Yeah Mike is correct. Vin verification is a form that can be filled out by most dealerships or Police Departments (I know I do a lot during the week). From what I remember they check to make sure you safety equipment is functional during the inspections such as lights, turn signals, four way signal and check for any on dash warning lights. I knew guys who tried to throw black electrical tape over lights to pass. Down here in the Springs I have never done a emissions test since I was 18. I think our county got rid of the program.
Yeah Mike is correct. Vin verification is a form that can be filled out by most dealerships or Police Departments (I know I do a lot during the week). From what I remember they check to make sure you safety equipment is functional during the inspections such as lights, turn signals, four way signal and check for any on dash warning lights. I knew guys who tried to throw black electrical tape over lights to pass. Down here in the Springs I have never done a emissions test since I was 18. I think our county got rid of the program.
Blk92XJguy
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- Boulder
Re: The Colorado BS thread
They check for CELs? Are Jeeps exempt from that? lol My 5.9 has a vac leak or something so hopefully they let that slide.. My lights are functional and are more than visible, so I should be fine.
They check for CELs? Are Jeeps exempt from that? lol My 5.9 has a vac leak or something so hopefully they let that slide.. My lights are functional and are more than visible, so I should be fine.
