Climate Change Junk Scientists are self-destructing.....history repeats itself

[JNickel101]

I. THE NATURE OF SCIENTIFIC PROOF​

A. Is there proof in science?
1. In the sense that the word proof is used in mathematics and philosophy, nothing
is ever proven in science. There is always some uncertainty about the actual value of results
obtained from some experiment or their interpretation.​

From:
http://www.holycross.edu/departments/biology/kprestwi/behavior/e&be_notes/E&BE_04_Sci_Meth&Philo.pdf




"Proofs exist only in mathematics and logic, not in science." From:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...sconceptions-about-science-i-scientific-proof

Honestly - I think that first excerpt is horseshit. #1, from a Catholic junior college - we know how well science and religion mix - #2, actually saying you can "prove" philosophy? Really? C'mon....I'm pretty sure the entire point of Philosophy is to ponder answers to questions that can't be answered, have never been answered, and will never be answered (such as: "why are we here?"). So you're telling me you can prove that now?

Awesome.

So....you're saying you can't prove that combining 2 Hydrogen atoms and 1 Oxygen atom will give you a molecule of water?

You're bordering on trolling now - arguing just for the sake of dragging out an argument on a topic that you just can't bear to admit that you were wrong on....wake up dude, the PROOF is right in front of you that your hero junk scientists have been lying and doctoring data to suit their agenda for YEARS.

 

[ZomBrady]

Honestly - I think that first excerpt is horseshit. #1, from a Catholic junior college - we know how well science and religion mix - #2, actually saying you can "prove" philosophy? Really? C'mon....I'm pretty sure the entire point of Philosophy is to ponder answers to questions that can't be answered, have never been answered, and will never be answered (such as: "why are we here?"). So you're telling me you can prove that now?

Awesome.

So....you're saying you can't prove that combining 2 Hydrogen atoms and 1 Oxygen atom will give you a molecule of water?

You're bordering on trolling now - arguing just for the sake of dragging out an argument on a topic that you just can't bear to admit that you were wrong on....wake up dude, the PROOF is right in front of you that your hero junk scientists have been lying and doctoring data to suit their agenda for YEARS.

Wanna make your head hurt?

Try studying the Philosophy of Logic. Ouch!

Next, the whole water example. . . you can't prove in current scientific terms that hydrogen and oxygen combine to form water. You can only witness/observe the results. No one has ever 'seen' an atom, electron or proton. But something called the "Atomic Theory" exist to explain the results that we witness/observe. It's still only a Theory, and it take a lot more than observations to turn a scientific Theory and elevated it scientific Law.

Evening in engineering we deal with Newtonian Physics which are empirically based on observations and account for 99.9999% of the natural world. But it's empirical which means that there 'might' be an instance that is unaccounted for by current understandings.

 

[wolfpackjeeper]

Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that a study will almost undoubtedly prove what the funding authority wanted. Either through actual merit, or through "other" means as we have seen here. Oh, and the certainty factor of this idea increases with the amount of funding the researcher is receiving.

Once that researcher has published and gained a name for himself, the temptation of ignoring other data that may discredit grows. Some of these guys have their entire career hanging on predictions and ideas that have fallen flat on their face. If they fail to show how they were right, they will lose grants, but more important to these types, they will lose their power and influence.

It is all about power and money

 

[Rod Knee]

and...the theory explains that its molecules, not atoms, of hydrogen and oxygen that combine.

http://www.visionlearning.com/library/module_viewer.php?mid=56


Holy Cross is #63

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/94/colleges-09_College-of-the-Holy-Cross_94095.html

 

[XJEEPER]

That's the issue. It's been explained by a bunch of people who seem to have made a lot of glaring mistakes and thrown scientific method out the window.

I can prove I can walk on water if I am allowed to throw out evidence to the contrary. Excuse me, "smooth" evidence to the contrary to make it follow the trend better.

I walk on water all the time........ I walked on some tonight.

 

[XJEEPER]

Oh I agree, absolutely deplorable. But you asked SBrad for proof of global warming. That is why I posted about proof and science.

Are you on the Debate Team? :dunno:

 

[joe_peters]

Seriously, take a tranquilizer.

It's a good thing that this happened and that these emails were hacked. Now we know that the litmus test will be much improved in future research.

But I wonder, will it matter to you? Or are you still going to be outraged skeptic, holding on to the past to discredit that which comes out in the way of research in the future.

How? If they are punished, REALLY punished, then there is a CHANCE things will improve. I have my doubts that any one of them will see the inside of a prison, let alone a court house. Hell, most of them will be promoted!

 

[ZomBrady]

How? If they are punished, REALLY punished, then there is a CHANCE things will improve. I have my doubts that any one of them will see the inside of a prison, let alone a court house. Hell, most of them will be promoted!

Listen to yourself. Do we know all the facts in this 'scandal'? No. Are your rants and raves the justification for punishment? No. In any case, the last I checked we lived under a legal system under which one of the founding principles was the presumption of innocence until guilty was proven in a court. Has that changed suddenly?

And as it stands, this involves a British University, and mainly British scientists. The head of the climatic research division at that university and who is at the heart of this scandal has resigned (as he should) pending an investigation.

Take the tranquilizer and relax. It's not the end of the world and like I said before: it's a good thing this happened now. Peer review and the evidence that will be provided will be that much better.

 

[RichP]

And as it stands, this involves a British University, and mainly British scientists. The head of the climatic research division at that university and who is at the heart of this scandal has resigned (as he should) pending an investigation.

Take the tranquilizer and relax. It's not the end of the world and like I said before: it's a good thing this happened now. Peer review and the evidence that will be provided will be that much better.

He'll probably be working for Al Gore in short order at twice the salary he was making.

 

[XJEEPER]

He'll probably be working for Al Gore in short order at twice the salary he was making.

Here is a great article that addresses what I've said all along, it's BS and it's all about the money.


Professor Plimer said climate change was caused by natural events such as volcanic eruptions, the shifting of the Earth’s orbit and cosmic radiation.

He said: “Carbon dioxide levels have been up to 1,000 times higher in the past. CO2 cannot be driving global warming now.

“In the past we have had rapid and significant climate change with temperature changes greater than anything we are measuring today. They are driven by processes that have been going on since the beginning of time.”

And he predicted that the next phase would cool the planet.

But Professor Plimer, of Adelaide and Melbourne Universities, said that to stop climate change Governments should find ways to prevent changes to the Earth’s orbit and ocean currents and avoid explosions of supernovae in space. Of the saga of the leaked emails, he said: “If you have to argue your science by using fraud, your science is not valid.”

He suggested many scientists had a vested interest in promoting climate change because it helped secure more funding for research. He said: “The climate comrades are trying to keep the gravy train going. Governments are also keen on putting their hands as deep as possible into our pockets.

“The average person has been talked down to. He has been treated like a fool. Yet the average person has common sense.”

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/143573

 

[JNickel101]

Awesome. I feel like I've read that before....

Oh wait....

 

[Ed A. Stevens]

A site looking at the scope of the failed (subverted) Scientific Peer review has considerable info Whats up with that?.

The link is specific to expose the falsification and manipulation of Climate Data from 1960 onward, although the general web-site also has links to other "discoveries" of manipulated data from New Zealand, Canada, and other allied (GW friendly) "Research" Institutions.

It's not getting any better for the falsified propaganda releases from the GW Activists (not here, where I currently sit).

G'day from the warm Tropical-North of sunny Queensland, Aus (vacation is a b!tc# ).

 

[XJEEPER]

A site looking at the scope of the failed (subverted) Scientific Peer review has considerable info Whats up with that?.

The link is specific to expose the falsification and manipulation of Climate Data from 1960 onward, although the general web-site also has links to other "discoveries" of manipulated data from New Zealand, Canada, and other allied (GW friendly) "Research" Institutions.

It's not getting any better for the falsified propaganda releases from the GW Activists (not here, where I currently sit).

G'day from the warm Tropical-North of sunny Queensland, Aus (vacation is a b!tc# ).

Thanks Ed!.......and I'm way jeolous, enjoy the vacation.


Looks like Al is jumping from his own ship.....time to freeze his ASSets and indict him for the Ponzi scheme that he's been selling to the world.


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/...agen-lecture-leaves-ticketholders-in-a-lurch/

 

[joe_peters]

And the "True Believers" allied with their enablers in the LSD Zombie media keep it coming:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34261272/ns/us_news-environment

 

[joe_peters]

Al Gore Pulls Out?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...gore-cancels-1-200-handshake-event-copenhagen

I guess that a**hole is looking a hole to hide in!

Don't run and hide, Al! Your "True Believers" and the enablers of the LSD Zombie media are already making up stories for you. Don't worry Al, they've got your yellow back.

 

[joe_peters]

And the U.N. takes a lesson from the Global Warmers' playbook:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579108,00.html

"All Hail the Mighty Global Warming" chants the "True Believers".

 

[joe_peters]

And the "True Believers" insanity continues:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...e-mails-represent-criminal-hacker-conspiracy/

LSD Zombies, you gotta just love them. Along with the "True Believers" and the LSD Zombie media enablers it is a laugh a minute.

 

[joe_peters]

Even the Jon Stewart of the Daly Show gets it:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,578990,00.html

ABC, CBS, and NBC all are broadcast networks using the public airwaves. That means they can have their licenses pulled if enough complaints are filed against them.

FCC website here I come! www.fcc.gov

 

[Rod Knee]

Glaciers conspire to "hide the decline":

http://www.nichols.edu/DEPARTMENTS/Glacier/glacier_retreat.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3662975.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2559633.stm

This Greenlander is in on it too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd0kJ_rWNOA



And here is the temp. decline (in red) all the way from about 1960 on that they thought they could hide (even though the last part of the decline is actually an increase).

 

[joe_peters]

Wow, I am finally convinced!

How old is the Earth? 4.54 BILLION years? Give or take a little? Maybe a little data manipulation? Heck, lets just call it 2.25 billion years, that way any statistical allowances won't have such a large impact.

Now I see a chart from 1400 to 2000. 600 years. Yep, based on such an overwhelming abundance of evidence, Global Warming definitely exits!

"True Believers" and their enablers in the media, gotta love them.