California people take note: Proposed CARB tire inflation rule

[tbburg]

The safety nannies are at it again. This time with an environmental spin.

...,CARB is proposing to require every repair dealer to check the inflation of every tire during repair to improve mpg for all vehicles which, in theory, is meritorious.

However (the) regs. CARB’s pushing through (released this week and subject to a 15 day comment period) ... provides that the only times that consumers may decline a check and inflate service—they can never decline the service if it’s offered for free—is when they are charged for services AND if they can PROVE (with DOCUMENTATION!) that they’ve had their tires checked and inflated in the last 30 days, or if they WILL do so within the next week. It is unclear, but possible, that CARB could take enforcement action against the consumer if they don’t follow through with their promise?!,...

..., CARB’s not messing around with these either—the potential penalty for violating the regulation is at least up to $1,000 per violation and six months imprisonment. The enforcement section referred to by CARB states that a violation of the regulation shall be “deemed to result in an emission of air contaminants,” potentially leading to even harsher penalties,...

If you live in calie, you might want to try to contact somebody about this. If you don't live in calie, sit back, shake you head and laugh.(for now anyway,..)
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[kastein]

This is retarded. :looney: go figure, it's the PRC.

At least it's easily circumventable, let em set the pressure to whatever they want when fixing your junk (who here brings their XJ to the dealer?) then drive around the corner and set it back to what it should be on the way home.

How the hell do you prove with documentation that you're going to check and inflate the tires in the next week?

If the civil libertarian in me would just STFU for a bit, I could almost get behind this, I see far too many tards driving their mommy missiles around with like 5-10psi in the rear tires, and the roads around here are littered with the remnants of blowouts... from passenger vehicle sized tires, not big rigs. Ah well, they have the right to stupidity, I just hope they don't exercise it in front of me on the highway.

 

[Boatwrench]

Nothing reported here in Northern California about this. I am going to check with our mechanics (oops...techs) to see what they know.

 

[FlexdXJ]

Another reason to live somewhere other than Cali!

 

[themangeraaad]

In theory I could understand making it standard practice for dealerships/service centers to check tire pressure and inform the customer that it should be correct for better fuel economy (and what, they could charge $5 to fix it IF the owner wanted it fixed). Add it as part of a yearly inspection... any time you get inspected your tire pressure is checked, if the tire pressure is not appropriate then have the owner pull out to that little pump in the parking lot, throw in some quarters, and fix it. If you make them fix it every year before they pass inspection they will learn eventually.

But there should be no legal recourse for driving around with low tire pressure. Sure you could say that needing appropriate tire pressure to pass inspection could be considered "legal recourse" but $1000 fine and/or up to 6 months imprisonment? Holy retarded bat-children superman! These people are absolutely out of line, how someone that makes claims like this would have ANY political standing in a community/state leaves me stumped

 

[5-90]

And who the Hell documents tyre inflation, anyhow? I probably check the tyres on our car every other fill-up (which works out to roughly fortnightly,) and might have to top off every third or fourth time I check. I catch low tyres before TPMS does (which shows the utility of that system - I think it blinks its little light at me outa sheer frustration...) but I'll be damned if I'm going to keep a logbook of tyre checks and suchlike.

That's just stupid.

Given the opportunity, I also advise people of conditions at stoplights/signs (rear lamps out, tyres low - I even told a guy his rear axle was one fire once!) but I honestly think this just shows what happens when we give idiots the power to write regulations that can carry the force of law.

Buncha idiots.

 

[Capt. Nemo]

So, does that mean when you go to air down to run the Rubicon, you could be cited by the local LEO's (being that the Rubicon is technically an unmaintained county road)???

This would just suck in general for oversized tires since the pressures vary in order to get a good wear pattern for the weight of the particular vehicle.

The next laws are going to restrict tire sizes due to the decreased MPG to run them...

 

[Original_MudButt]

Old news......

Besides, Jiffy Lube already checks/adjust them for free (well nothing is really free)... They always have.

I have no idea how they would be able to enforce it, but it's not that bad of an idea. There are way too many people out there who can hardly tie their own shoes, let alone air up their tires.

And we already know that underinflated tires = less gas mileage. The whole idea is to reduce our need for fossil fuels and reduce our pollution.

But I get what you're saying.... Why the heII should we let the govt. stick their nose in our buisness on this......

 

[5-90]

Old news......

Besides, Jiffy Lube already checks/adjust them for free (well nothing is really free)... They always have.

Nothing's free - you just pay for it as part of the "service" you would get there (not that I'm willing to pay Jiffy Lube or whomever anything...)

I have no idea how they would be able to enforce it, but it's not that bad of an idea. There are way too many people out there who can hardly tie their own shoes, let alone air up their tires.

Doesn't matter - it's just another reg they're trying to pass so they can say, "See? We're trying to help!" Fumducks.

And we already know that underinflated tires = less gas mileage. The whole idea is to reduce our need for fossil fuels and reduce our pollution.

That was hammered into people in driver's ed - if you can't maintain that logical connection, you shouldn't be driving. Period. Next?

But I get what you're saying.... Why the heII should we let the govt. stick their nose in our buisness on this......

Big government once again.

 

[Bryan C.]

A bit of a nanny type law, but think about all the Ford Exploder rollovers and people getting killed because of low tire pressure. What came out of that? Federally mandated tire pressure monitoring systems on ALL new cars starting in 2008(?). These systems cost around $500 per vehicle, the cost of which is passed onto the consumer.

If you bring your vehicle into a repair shop for service there is a reasonable expectation that the servicing tech will give your vehicle a basic safety check which should include a tire pressure check.

The dealer that I work for has had this policy in place for quite some time. Every car that comes through the shop has all its underhood fluids checked, the lights checked, and the tire air pressure set to manufacturs spec. All free of charge. You would be amazed at how many cars are driving around with 10 psi in the tires and the customer isn't even complaining about it.

The whole point of better fuel mileage is a bit trivial, but looking at it from a safety prespective it makes perfect sense.

 

[kastein]

So, does that mean when you go to air down to run the Rubicon, you could be cited by the local LEO's (being that the Rubicon is technically an unmaintained county road)???

This would just suck in general for oversized tires since the pressures vary in order to get a good wear pattern for the weight of the particular vehicle.

The next laws are going to restrict tire sizes due to the decreased MPG to run them...

I'd like to see them catch up to you on the Rubicon with properly inflated tires! :firedevil

 

[5-90]

A bit of a nanny type law, but think about all the Ford Exploder rollovers and people getting killed because of low tire pressure. What came out of that? Federally mandated tire pressure monitoring systems on ALL new cars starting in 2008(?). These systems cost around $500 per vehicle, the cost of which is passed onto the consumer.

Yeah. Just for giggles, I once priced TPMS sensors for our car. Eighty dollars a copy!

I'm glad they're reusable, or I'd end up pitching a fit (or a berserk, with a strong resemblance to a fit.) If I had to pay an extra $80 each time I got a new tyre, there's a serious problem with the system (it's not enough that I have to pay to dispose of the tyres - the shop gets paid by me to dispose of the tyres, then gets paid by the pavement companies that pick them up. Old tyres are getting shredded to be used in the new "quiet pavement" - not a bad thing, but getting over twice strikes me as more than a little sharp...)

Does anyone have a good "nuts-and-bolts" guide on how TPMS actually works? Either my Google-Fu is weak, or a guide isn't anywhere online... I hate not knowing how something works, it's the engineer in me.

 

[kastein]

X2 on how TPMS works, my bet is just MEMS pressure sensors and some RF transmitters but I'm not sure. Anyone got one to rip apart and not mind taking pics?

Bets on the next step after this one? Only allowing stock size tires maybe? Easy to get around that one too, keep your last set of stock size tires and only use them for inspection...

 

[IslanderOffRoad]

Who cares.

My inflation gets checked whenever I get my oil changed. What's to stop me from deflating them if I wanted to when I left (in my garage, where nobody can see)?

 

[Original_MudButt]

X2 on how TPMS works, my bet is just MEMS pressure sensors and some RF transmitters but I'm not sure.

I asked a tire dealer and he said yes they use RF transmitters.

.....keep your last set of stock size tires and only use them for inspection...

We don't have inspections in Cali. Only smog.....

 

[kastein]

Who cares.

My inflation gets checked whenever I get my oil changed. What's to stop me from deflating them if I wanted to when I left (in my garage, where nobody can see)?

First, they came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...

30 years ago would you believe the people's republic of california would be driving safety requirements nationwide and only letting you put engines made after your vehicle's frame in if you want to drive them on road?

 

[themangeraaad]

I haven't found any official "how it works" on TPMS but I have read about it somewhere, I found an aftermarket install kit I think, maybe it was on go-jeep...

Anyway, yeah, alot of them use RF. There is a small sensor that clips in either on or just inside the bead of the tire I think and transmits the pressure.

Some reading: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=44

 

[Boatwrench]

First, they came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...

30 years ago would you believe the people's republic of california would be driving safety requirements nationwide and only letting you put engines made after your vehicle's frame in if you want to drive them on road?

Yes.
California has been the driving force for most initiatives in this country since the 1930's. Southern California led the way with aircraft manufacturing. The skunk works, the woblin goblin and Edwards AFB.
The environmental movement, California.
Higher fuel standards/ better gas mileage, California.
Theme parks, California. (think Disneyland)
The computer, California, but the internet, that was a Tennesse Senator.

I do find it interesting gays and lesbians can legally marry in Iowa (and MA?) but not California.

 

[hubs97xj]

I have to wonder- are the type of people who drive around on flat tires, the same type of people who ignore CELs, and won't be bothered to get the vehicle serviced anyway? Will this really accomplish anything?

 

[xcm]

good luck with that, jerkoffs!