California people take note: Proposed CARB tire inflation rule

[tbburg]

Update: I posted this over lunch to get the ball rolling. I figured some people would be interested.

The reason I posted this was, it's a proposed new rule by the California Air Resource Board. As I understand the article, there is a 15 day comment period(not sure when it started when I posted) before any further action on the rule is taken.

I've had a little time after work to dig around. Here's what I've found:
I'm pretty much too late with this. The comment deadline is tomorrow(1/29/10)
Here's the news release from CARB:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/newsrel/2010/nr011410.htm

Here's the rulemaking activity page:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2009/tirepres09/tirepres09.htm

Current proposed rule available for download(PDF file)
http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2009/tirepres09/revattach.pdf

Conveniently, the current proposed rule doesn't list penalties. They put this in:

(1)Penalties. Penalties may be assessed for any violation of this
article pursuant to Health and Safety Code section 38580. Each
day during any portion of which a violation occurs is a separate
offense.

(2) Injunctions. Any violation of this article may be enjoined pursuant
to Health and Safety Code section 41513.

While I do care about this insofar as it'll probably get picked up by the feds, I'm not going to go through 2 diferent sections of the Calie code to find out what they have in mind for all you law breakers out there.

 

[PhotographerMike]

I'll add a bit of opinion and information.

OPINION; Remember when cars needed to be checked regularly? Oil, water, trans. & brake fluids? Now they don't. A little light comes on when it's time for service. New cars really do go longer between services and people don't think they need to check any more. Our son-in-law called and asked how to get the hood open on his car . . . Tire inflation? Never even enters his mind.

We've all seen vehicles flying down the freeway with a flat tire. Coming back from one wheeling trip an XJ flew by with a rear tire so low that I moved over a couple of lanes and backed off because I didn't want to be near "when" the tire blew and he rolled.

People don't even think to look at their vehicle anymore. I've left notes on cars about severely under inflated tires. I don't want a kid to get killed because the parents are blind.
As you have seen, most of the worst offenders cars might only see a mechanic when the owner can't "fix" it themselves, or the car finally stops running.

Now how might the regulation effect us, the mechanically inclined Cherokee owner?

From what I read, not at all. Here's the relevant section as it reads now;

"Notwithstanding subsection (d)(1)(A), an automotive service provider need not perform the check and inflate service if:

(B) the tires are determined by the automotive service provider to be unsafe, as defined in subsection (c)(1413); or

(C) the customer declines the check and inflate service pursuant to subsection (d)(5).

(4) Customers with vehicle tires inflated with nitrogen gas are also subject to the requirements in subsection (d)(1)(A-EF), but may refuse the inflation portion of the service if a nitrogen inflation system is not available at the time of the service.

(5) a A customer may decline the check and inflate service if the customer affirms one of the following:

(A) He or she has performed (or had performed) a tire pressure check and inflate service within the last 30 days, or

(B) He or she will perform (or will have performed) a tire pressure check and inflate service within the next 7 days.

(6) If a tire inflation service was not performed as provided in subsections (d)(2-4), the automotive service provider must indicate on the vehicle service invoice why the service was not completed. "

The Enforcement section has been crossed out.
I didn't see any penalties under the Health and Safety section.

I wish we didn't have idiots on the road endangering everybody else including our families.

The regulation does not tell you what pressure you need to keep in your tires. IF you take your car in just say "No thanks, I did it already." or "Thanks, I'll do it when I get home." and you're good to go.

Mike

 

[DrMoab]

Wouldn't effect me. I do all my own oil changes and 90% of repairs myself anyway.

 

[JNickel101]

I don't see the problem with this. In fact, I kind of like it. If you're too dumb to keep your tires inflated properly, maybe they should take your license away from you. In order to have a pilots license, you have to have a pretty good working knowledge of an airplane. In order to get a license to drive a 4000lb box of iron and steel @ 70mph down the freeway with a bunch of other retards, all you need is a pulse.

This service will probably prevent a lot of unnecessary accidents AND increase gas mileage for quite a few people.

Those of you who disagree...do you also say "damn them for making me wear my seatbelt and not letting me text while I drive!!!"

 

[Boatwrench]

I don't see the problem with this. In fact, I kind of like it. If you're too dumb to keep your tires inflated properly, maybe they should take your license away from you. In order to have a pilots license, you have to have a pretty good working knowledge of an airplane. In order to get a license to drive a 4000lb box of iron and steel @ 70mph down the freeway with a bunch of other retards, all you need is a pulse.

This service will probably prevent a lot of unnecessary accidents AND increase gas mileage for quite a few people.

Those of you who disagree...do you also say "damn them for making me wear my seatbelt and not letting me text while I drive!!!"

Don't need a license to drive a boat.

 

[bjoehandley]

Instead of this mess, why not just make so that if one or more of your tires are noticeably low on air, it's ok for a LEO to pull you over and have you check your pressures then ticket you $100 for each road tire that's that's running at more than 5psi lower that what's listed on the door sticker:dunno:

 

[5-90]

I don't see the problem with this. In fact, I kind of like it. If you're too dumb to keep your tires inflated properly, maybe they should take your license away from you. In order to have a pilots license, you have to have a pretty good working knowledge of an airplane. In order to get a license to drive a 4000lb box of iron and steel @ 70mph down the freeway with a bunch of other retards, all you need is a pulse.

This service will probably prevent a lot of unnecessary accidents AND increase gas mileage for quite a few people.

Those of you who disagree...do you also say "damn them for making me wear my seatbelt and not letting me text while I drive!!!"

Texting while driving is idiotic - do not take your eyes off the road (and how many people can text by touch?)

Seatbelt laws are specious. If you can get knocked off for shuffling vehicles about once you back out of your driveway (so you can move another vehicle in,) I see a problem. Frankly, I'm inclined to think that seatbelt laws were passed not for safety on the roadways, but because states and cities needed more revenue (whatever happened to riding in the open back of a pickup truck? Didn't hurt me - I did it for years!)

But, I do understand the disparity between getting a license from the FAA and getting on from the Motor Vehicles Department - I don't think DMV actually tests anyone beyond the ability to see and breathe. Going off of what I see on the roadways out here, I think that's all they really do test for!

And Driver's Ed is too farcical to even be a poor joke anymore - I only put my two boys through it to make it easier for them to get their licenses - then I took them out and taught them to drive properly. I think they spent a total of about four hours on the road, behind the wheel, actually driving - in three months' worth of course. Pfui!

 

[JNickel101]

Don't need a license to drive a boat.

Ah, if only we lived in Venice, Italy....

 

[joe_peters]

Sheeple, sheeple, sheeple.

Rope and lamppost.

Git R done.

 

[kastein]

Instead of this mess, why not just make so that if one or more of your tires are noticeably low on air, it's ok for a LEO to pull you over and have you check your pressures then ticket you $100 for each road tire that's that's running at more than 5psi lower that what's listed on the door sticker:dunno:

NO!

I run 25psi in my 33s. The sticker on my door reads 35, if I'm not mistaken. I don't think a 400 dollar ticket every few weeks would be very much fun, and I don't like rattling my teeth out of my jaw by running 35psi in 33s either.

Texting while driving is idiotic - do not take your eyes off the road (and how many people can text by touch?)

I could on my old phone with the semi-qwerty keyboard (5 keys per row, 2 letters per key) but the buttons on my full-qwerty keyboard are too small.

 

[bjoehandley]

NO!

I run 25psi in my 33s. The sticker on my door reads 35, if I'm not mistaken. I don't think a 400 dollar ticket every few weeks would be very much fun, and I don't like rattling my teeth out of my jaw by running 35psi in 33s either.

Shouldn't be a problem if you tires don't appear flat or to be running low at that pressure, it shouldn't be a problem. Kinda like driving a vehicle with lap belts.

 

[WebDog]

Instead of this mess, why not just make so that if one or more of your tires are noticeably low on air, it's ok for a LEO to pull you over and have you check your pressures then ticket you $100 for each road tire that's that's running at more than 5psi lower that what's listed on the door sticker:dunno:

What if you no longer have a door sticker

 

[5-90]

What if you no longer have a door sticker

The door sticker usually also lists the OEM tyre size on the vehicle - it's pretty obvious when 245/70-R15s are replaced with 31/10.5-15LTs. I'd think that cops are expected to know at least a little bit about vehicle equipment, or they'd not be able to write "equipment violation" tickets properly, no?

 

[Jeepman401]

I'd think that cops are expected to know at least a little bit about vehicle equipment, or they'd not be able to write "equipment violation" tickets properly, no?

You would think so, but from my experience, its not always true. I once got a ticket for not having a front plate on a car. I was driving a used car at work with a dealer plate on it.


as for jiffy lube checking tire pressures at every oil change, wanna buy a bridge?

 

[bjoehandley]

Well, they could write up the lack of doors on a vehicle with non-removeable doors as an equipment violation

 

[5-90]

You would think so, but from my experience, its not always true. I once got a ticket for not having a front plate on a car. I was driving a used car at work with a dealer plate on it.


as for jiffy lube checking tire pressures at every oil change, wanna buy a bridge?

Good point - although that's not technically an 'equipment' violation.

Damn front plate laws. Last time they tried to knock me off for not having one, I said it "must have fallen off" and got a wave. I didn't have the heart to finish the sentence - which would have ended with "in my driveway, after I took the screws out."

I don't see why we're expected to have front plate. If it's for photo RADAR, that's a Fourth Amendment violation anyhow. It's being struck down here and there - and I'm waiting for a national decision to come up one of these days (it's a FourthA violation because you can't "face" or "cross-examine" your "accuser" in open court...)

 

[kastein]

You would think so, but from my experience, its not always true. I once got a ticket for not having a front plate on a car. I was driving a used car at work with a dealer plate on it.


as for jiffy lube checking tire pressures at every oil change, wanna buy a bridge?

don't know about jiffylube but the place I worked for a few years in highschool we always did... I had to teach one of the tards how to read a pressure gauge though. Even though there were 4 markings (and 5 spaces) between 10/20/30psi etc he absolutely swore up and down that each small mark was 1psi

 

[joe_peters]

don't know about jiffylube but the place I worked for a few years in highschool we always did... I had to teach one of the tards how to read a pressure gauge though. Even though there were 4 markings (and 5 spaces) between 10/20/30psi etc he absolutely swore up and down that each small mark was 1psi

And yet they say we don't pay teachers enough for providing an excellent Publik Skuol Cystim.

 

[Jeepman401]

don't know about jiffylube but the place I worked for a few years in highschool we always did... I had to teach one of the tards how to read a pressure gauge though. Even though there were 4 markings (and 5 spaces) between 10/20/30psi etc he absolutely swore up and down that each small mark was 1psi

if he was that much of a tard, you should have given him a tire to fill that needed 75-80 psi to fill. it would be a self correcting problem. You may have had to buy the customer a new rim and tire, but if the tard still had any hands/ head, I bet he wouldnt do it again :explosion

 

[joe_peters]

if he was that much of a tard, you should have given him a tire to fill that needed 75-80 psi to fill. it would be a self correcting problem. You may have had to buy the customer a new rim and tire, but if the tard still had any hands/ head, I bet he wouldnt do it again :explosion

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