Blending your own gasoline?

[2xtreme]

I share your pain. Thank you for not being a sheep. While other ppl sit around and watch prices go up up up and just say 'oh well, deal with it', I say bullzhit! WHY should we have to pay $5/gal when the iraqis are only paying 5 CENTS/gal. I mean come on liberals, isn't that why we went over there in the first place? to take the oil? Well I say we go ahead and take it... at least some of it. And while we're at it, lets teach them to vote democrat and take away their land rights and right to bear arms and most of their other rights as humans also. I hate to rant... why did I have to read this thread.

OH MY!!

Anyone still wonder why half of the world HATES Americans!!

Michael

 

[krakhedd]

Actually, if you read my first post, it pretty much indicates my request for knowledge/wisdom on the subject. So that indicates I have a rudimentary understanding at best.

Now let me tell you what I know.

Racing fuel is just high-octane. I wish (as per my original post) to maintain the CR of my motor - for now. So high octane will do nothing for me. I want to stop being subjected to the ultra-high gas prices with all their treatments and other crap (all RFG basically - that's "re-formulated gasoline", or basically the only stuff you can get from the pump nowadays - thank you bleeding hearted liberals and enviro-nazis!) that only serves to LESSEN the efficiency of the motor, thus meaning you need to burn MORE of it to get the same, say, economy when cruising.

I don't want alcohol in my fuel. It's a major component of all "gas" (read:RFG) being sold today, and only serves to lessen the motor's efficiency. Fewer BTUs/weight.

I would go diesel, but again, want to retain my motor I have now (read my first post).

Anyway - anybody have useful information for me/us to use, please post it. Anybody who wishes to talk about the Bush family's lust for oil, and it being the reason we're in Iraq today....I agree, but find somewhere else to talk about it. And any liberals who think they're actually improving things in this world, but can't see the forest for the trees.....well, basically, SHUT UP!

 

[5-90]

Compared to most additives, alcohols aren't so bad - they're still fuels.

The main problem you'd have with DIY blending will be cost - you won't be able to get the additives for a low enough cost to come out ahead, since you're not going to be buying them a million gallons at a time.

You really should spend some time in a University library or checking the SAE publications on the subject - there are some that are very good, and I'd give you titles if I could find the place where I wrote down the ones that I went through while starting research on exotic fuels. You can compare the relative merits of gasoline vice alcohols (ethanol and methanol - they're different) vice propane/NG vice nitromethane if you want to go that far.

The information is out there. I'd post more, but I don't recall enough to sound like I know what I'm talking about at the moment (I need to learn more on the subject myself.)

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[krakhedd]

Yeah, that's what I was afraid I'd have to do. ADHD is a bitch when I have to sit down and focus on something, especially in a place I have to remain dead silent (read: NO TAPPING Jam Master Paul!) like a library. On the plus side, I work at 1 college and go to classes at another, so it shouldn't be terribly difficult to find my way to the library at one of them.

I will post another thread after I've had some time to research this. I'm sure I can find at least 1 of my friends willing to help me.

Oh, something else I wanted to mention, is that I cannot find ANYTHING on the Web about blending your own fuel. You may be able to find stuff out about BioDiesel, but not gasoline. I hate to cry "Wolf", but.....sounds rather conspiratorial to me....

 

[Gerr]

honestly cant imagine being able to save any money blending your own fuel unless you do so in the thousands of gallons at a time level.

 

[Lawn Cher']

Yeah, that's what I was afraid I'd have to do. ADHD is a bitch when I have to sit down and focus on something, especially in a place I have to remain dead silent (read: NO TAPPING Jam Master Paul!) like a library. On the plus side, I work at 1 college and go to classes at another, so it shouldn't be terribly difficult to find my way to the library at one of them.

Aha, a crack-head with ADHD... now this all makes sense. How did people learn about things before the internet? Its a wonder that the industrial revolution ever occurred.

 

[red91]

Aha, a crack-head with ADHD... now this all makes sense. How did people learn about things before the internet? Its a wonder that the industrial revolution ever occurred.

you mean this isn't the BRONZE AGE ? oh wait...I still use a lunar calandar...

damn gregorians...

 

[krakhedd]

I can see the membership on this forum is being filled from the ranks of Jeeps Unlimited.......a whole bunch of people with nothing better to do than argue..........and no useful input to the matter at hand.......just yahoos with an opinion! Thanks for being useless!

Thanks for the honest help given/honest arguments made. Much appreciated!

 

[jeepcherokee95]

You can still buy gas in bulk here in Missouri but it is for "farm use" only and they bring it to your farm and pump it into containers stored above ground, the fill method (to the equipment) is gravity feed usually; the problem here is that if they get wind you aren't using it for farming they fine you out the yin-yang due to the tax issues of it.

There are farmers who still drive gas vehicles but if you were to look you'd see most drive diesels...Hmmm, wonder why!

All the farming equipment is predominately diesel and they just pull up to the "pump" and fill up the truck! Who is gonna say it wasn't used for the "farm".

Now in Missouri a farm can be anything, as long as it is a minimum of 6 acres. You can farm cattle, horses, chickens, whatever but it has to be the 6 acres of land to qualify. Why the magic number 6? Bureucratic (sp?) bullshit! Most people will sell land in increments of 5 acres (why? who knows!) so they figure if you have 6 you are serious about farming I guess.

Now to the Bio-deisel...

A friend and I looked into this as we thought of making our own little "refinery" here and sell gas. Now we never got so far as to check into the tax issues and licensing reqirements because we still have not found anyone willing to give us the used cooking oil! Everyone here is PAYING a company to take the old oil away...we offered to take it FOR FREE!!! so far NO ONE has said they would let us!

Now if we wanted to PAY THEM for what we took per gallon then they would let us....HOW DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE!!

F*!&$#>> rednecks! We are too close to Kansas and Arkansas for my comfort!

INBREEDING RUNS RAMPANT!!!

Basically the gist of this rant (sorry it got out of control ) is GO FIGURE!
:lecture: hasta :rattle:Ok, now I'll...:gag:


JC95

 

[MaXJohnson]

We are too close to Kansas and Arkansas for my comfort!

I can understand your problem. The comparison makes ya look bad. :moon:

 

[jeepcherokee95]

I refer solely to the S.E. Kansas N.W. Arkansas areas and parts of the boot heel of Missouri! :laugh3: JC95

 

[5-90]

Here are a couple good books for fuels research - I knew I had them somewhere (the info - not the books. I had to give those back to the library...)

Alternative Fuels for Road Vehicles. M. L. Poulton. ISBN 1-85312-301-3 or 1-5652-225-6

Automotive Fuels Reference Book. Owen & Coley. ISBN 1-56091-589-7

As I recall, both are published by the SAE. The information is good - and, from what you're saying, you'll probably be more interested in the second book than the first.

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[TiRod]

Try googling "toluene." MTBE is no longer used as an additive as too many naturalized actors began running for Governor of California . . .

One of my co-workers found a page on toluene and how it is used as the primary octane additive now. I don't know the current price per gallon but it seems to have good properties within reason.

I heard a rumor that the Fish carburetor heirs are attempting to market a 100MPG fuel injection system using toluene, but the Saudi's are offering too much money to keep it quiet, so they are selling out again. Good racket if you can pull it off.

 

[5-90]

Toluene works well as a fuel additive/octane booster. Toluene also works well as a fuel. As I recall, it's got an octane up around 125-130, and was actually used in Formula for a while - high compression, with a couple atmospheres' worth of boost - and NO ping.

As I recalled, it was outlawed because it made it too easy to build high-powered engines. Somehow, I'm wanting to think that there were cases of four-cylinder engines putting out around 900-1000bhp - but I'd have to check (it may be a mixed memory...) Scary, isn't it?

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[roXJeepr]

Toluene works well as a fuel additive/octane booster. Toluene also works well as a fuel.

Also supposed to work well as an injector cleaner.

Somehow, I'm wanting to think that there were cases of four-cylinder engines putting out around 900-1000bhp

I do believe you're correct! At least according to Corky Bell you are.

 

[saki669]

[conspiracy_theory]
:eyes:

....but the Saudi's are offering too much money to keep it quiet, so they are selling out again. Good racket if you can pull it off.

:eyes:
[/conspiracy_theory]

 

[Gerr]

If the damn oil companies would set thier prices based on what they actually pay for the oil and other ingredients and not the futures they option a year in advance our gas price would be around $1.50 theres a bunch of information out there about this and its been in a few news papers now. Hell my dad didnt believe it so looked up a bunch of stuff and was amazed at how they get to rip us off legally

 

[5-90]

Sources?

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[krakhedd]

There's a pretty reasonable chance (I'd like to think) that, much akin to the accounting scandals, etc. of the late 90s and 2000s, there will be some sort of additional regulation of the energy industry after this whole Katrina thing. I don't know how far the efforts would go with "W" at the helm - don't forget, Iraq's oil is colored a bloody Crimson, and his family's (and his own) fortunes are mostly/all in oil - as well as Cheney's.....pretty much all those neo-Cons. Either it's the source of their own wealth, or their friends'/political supporters (anybody agree that 100% public funding of federal campaigns should be instituted?).

I heard some CEO who was on CNN Headline News or something like that last night, who was flying a jet he chartered with his own money, delivering food/water/etc. he bought with his own money, saying that the oil companies pull in $29 or $39 BILLION a QUARTER!!! It may only be a matter of time before the domestic energy industry is regulated, which makes WAY more sense than my other notion of nationalizing the whole thing (which I did not express here on this forum). It's the best of capitalism and nationalism all rolled up into one.

I'm interested about this 900-1000HP thing, though. This is right along the lines of my original quest - to find a fuel/blend with a high energy density. Does anybody know about the comparisons between toluene and gasoline, in terms of BTUs? I understand 125-130 octane rating = higher compression = more power/more thermal efficiency, but even in a lower-compression setup, such as say 9:1, what's the result? How much would one have to modify a stock fuel delivery system to run on pure toluene? What would it do to the delivery components (from fuel filler orifice to injector, and everything in between)? I assume the BTU answer are found in that 2nd book, the automotive fuels one?

I've been trying to think of ways of accurately measuring different fuels for purposes of measuring BTUs. I can't think of any practical, laboratory-accurate ways though - anybody have any ideas?

 

[5-90]

Here are a couple good books for fuels research - I knew I had them somewhere (the info - not the books. I had to give those back to the library...)

Alternative Fuels for Road Vehicles. M. L. Poulton. ISBN 1-85312-301-3 or 1-5652-225-6

Automotive Fuels Reference Book. Owen & Coley. ISBN 1-56091-589-7

As I recall, both are published by the SAE. The information is good - and, from what you're saying, you'll probably be more interested in the second book than the first.

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Get the book! Get the book!

The second one - the Handbook - had a lot of good information in line with what you're looking for - and I need to get my hands on it again. Here in CA they do one thing right - the City library system can draw books from any University library in the state (and several of the City libraries share books, as well.) The catalogue for all of this is online, and you can peruse libraries throughout the state all at once.

See if you have something similar with your library, or if you can find these books at a University library somewhere handy. Growing up, I used to spend a LOT of time at the Purdue libraries, simply because they had books I couldn't find at the City library...

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