Biden or Palin who did better?

[OverTheHillsATTW]

I'm sorry for anyone who thinks Palin is a good canidate for VP. Not that im charmed by Biden either but i'm getting really sick of getting ready for the BIG TOPICS getting addressed and leaving with the thought of... "What did they just talk about?"

 

[JNickel101]

Don't get mad, its all terrible...I'm starting to think this is the saddest election year ever....we have 2 dumbass, typical democrats, one republican who, the best thing you can say about him is "well, at least he's not Obama", and one hot as hell MILF/GILF/potential VPILF who I believe has good intentions, but lacks the smarts....

At this point, both Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul look eleventy billion times better....

 

[NW-ZJ-SCOTT]

Don't get mad, its all terrible...I'm starting to think this is the saddest election year ever....we have 2 dumbass, typical democrats, one republican who, the best thing you can say about him is "well, at least he's not Obama", and one hot as hell MILF/GILF/potential VPILF who I believe has good intentions, but lacks the smarts....

At this point, both Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul look eleventy billion times better....

do you really think she's hot? i like her glasses but she's butt ugly. i think she's been rode hard and put away wet for way to long. she'l look like mccains mom within the next year or two:anon:

 

[JNickel101]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,433314,00.html

I've learned that your opinion is pretty much always the opposite of mine....

 

[buschwhaked]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,433314,00.html

I've learned that your opinion is pretty much always the opposite of mine....

At least you actually realize what you say is opinion implying it's subjective and not absolute. But anyway, I don't have a problem with the opinion piece. It just leaves out how the "Separation of Powers" principle plays into it. It's complicated and the founders didn't leave a plethora of guidance on this issue which leaves it up to a lot of interpretation. But historically, out of respect to the Founder's intent, VP's keep their nose out of the legislative process only doing the minimum the Constitution allows for because of the seperation of powers. The Constitution states that it is the exclusive responsibility of the Congress to legislate laws and explicitly states that it cannot be delegated to any other branch. The Founders picked the VP as president of the Senate pretty much as a honorary role rarely utilized. "President of the Senate" does not carry the same weight as "President of the United States." He has no actually voting ability except in the case of a 50/50 vote, and only in that case.

But anyway, Cheney is the Anti-Christ and Bush is Satan.

 

[JNickel101]

President of the Senate pretty much = Speaker of the House - same basic responsibilities, IMO

I dont know enough about Cheney to say anything - but Bush is starting to piss me off with his arrogance...

 

[buschwhaked]

NOT the same thing. From Wiki:

Since the Speaker is (as a matter of practice) always a Member of the House of Representatives, he or she can vote to make a tie (defeating whatever is being voted on) or to break a tie (thus approving whatever is being voted on). This is as contrasted with the role of the Vice President's as the "President of the Senate", where he can only vote to break ties - because the Vice President is not a member of the Senate. Much like the case of the Vice President who rarely actually presides over the Senate any longer, the House Speaker rarely actually presides over routine House sessions, instead deputizing a junior member to do the task.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution

 

[JNickel101]

I realize that - hence the article that I posted before....

in reality, neither should be shucking their responsibilities, both should "preside over" their respective groups.

...for the record though, I said "same basic responsibilities" - I didn't say "the same thing"

In case you missed it the first time:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,433314,00.html

You should email that post to Joe Biden...

 

[buschwhaked]

Actually dude, Biden is exactly right. Oh, and I didn't catch it at first, but Biden was right about which article addresses the role of the VP. It is Article 1 (The Legislative Branch). Article 2 strictly addresses the power and role of the Executive Branch. Would you like a copy of the Constitution?

Article 1 only mentions the VP twice, once concerning how he is elected and second time that has since been amended by the 12th amendment.

 

[buschwhaked]

What Palin said according to your op-ed piece:

"Of course, we know what a vice president does. And that's not only to preside over the Senate and will take that position very seriously also. I'm thankful the Constitution would allow a bit more authority given to the vice president if that vice president so chooses to exert it in working with the Senate and making sure that we are supportive of the president's policies and making sure too that our president understands what our strengths are." So where exactly are these powers the Constitution grants stated in the Constitution? I'd really like to know. I've read it a few times and nowhere have I seen these mystery powers. I didn't have a problem with the piece because it's an opinion piece, about as credible as a bed time story, especially from Fox. But anyway....edumacate me on where these mystery powers are stated.

 

[JNickel101]

The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that..

Funny, Biden actually says that Article I describes the role of the VP, and insinuates that Article I deals with the Executive Branch. I just briefly read it and all I could find in Article I is "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided."

Tell me again how Article I defines the role of the VPOTUS?

And I won't ask if you need a copy....

 

[JNickel101]

What Palin said according to your op-ed piece:

"Of course, we know what a vice president does. And that's not only to preside over the Senate and will take that position very seriously also. I'm thankful the Constitution would allow a bit more authority given to the vice president if that vice president so chooses to exert it in working with the Senate and making sure that we are supportive of the president's policies and making sure too that our president understands what our strengths are." So where exactly are these powers the Constitution grants stated in the Constitution? I'd really like to know. I've read it a few times and nowhere have I seen these mystery powers. I didn't have a problem with the piece because it's an opinion piece, about as credible as a bed time story, especially from Fox. But anyway....edumacate me on where these mystery powers are stated.

I'm just gonna agree to disagree with you....we're both of the mindset that we're going to back our respective parties here, and we're both stubborn enough that neither will change his mind....

 

[buschwhaked]

Funny, Biden actually says that Article I describes the role of the VP, and insinuates that Article I deals with the Executive Branch. I just briefly read it and all I could find in Article I is "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided."

Tell me again how Article I defines the role of the VPOTUS?

And I won't ask if you need a copy....

That's what I'm trying to say! Article 1, title "The Legislative Branch", is the ONLY place in the Constitution that lays out the role of the VP. Article 2, "The Executive Branch", only mentions the VP in reference to how he gets elected, not what role he plays. The VP is part of the executive branch, not the legislative. The first three articles taken together lay out how we define the separation of powers (i.e. Checks and Balances).

If you look at both quotes in the article they aren't using proper English and they are speaking out loud, not writing their thoughts down. Biden, "The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch" It's pretty obvious he was trying to correct that statement.

 

[buschwhaked]

I'm just gonna agree to disagree with you....we're both of the mindset that we're going to back our respective parties here, and we're both stubborn enough that neither will change his mind....

Just read the Constitution, it really (honestly) doesn't take that long. It took me about 20 minutes with all the amendments.

 

[JNickel101]

I think it all depends on how you take what Biden says....

I don't need a lesson on the Constitution from you - I posted an op-ed article to add fuel to the fire on the subject of the thread.

As I said before...

Don't get mad, its all terrible...I'm starting to think this is the saddest election year ever....we have 2 dumbass, typical democrats, one republican who, the best thing you can say about him is "well, at least he's not Obama", and one hot as hell MILF/GILF/potential VPILF who I believe has good intentions, but lacks the smarts....

At this point, both Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul look eleventy billion times better....

 

[Ecomike]

But anyway, Cheney is the Anti-Christ and Bush is Satan.

Wow, and here all this time I was thinking Bush was the Anti Christ and Cheney was Satan!

 

[FarmerMatt]

Wow, and here all this time I was thinking Bush was the Anti Christ and Cheney was Satan!

X2

 

[JNickel101]

Shouldn't Cheney have died 2 or 3 heart attacks/strokes ago? I'm starting to think he might be a cyborg...

 

[Ecomike]

Shouldn't Cheney have died 2 or 3 heart attacks/strokes ago? I'm starting to think he might be a cyborg...

Or a cat with nine lives, but even a frog croaks every night!

Hell he could be getting a reprieve for even one he shoots or contracts a hit on.

 

[JNickel101]

Hell he could be getting a reprieve for even one he shoots or contracts a hit on.

So Bill and Hillary will end up the same way?