Beej
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Check this out: http://www.baitcar.com/
So far its been fantastically successful. Car thieves beware...
So far its been fantastically successful. Car thieves beware...
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Bait Car Program
- Thread starter Beej
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Good footage but why didn't the cops deactivate the meth users truck. He could have killed innocents. Okay, its a bait car with a camera monitored by the police and they don't take him out earlier? He nails cars, runs through intersections, steals things and had many opportunites to get away.
Beej
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- The Wet Coast of BC
The cops ordered the control company to shut it down and they refused, citing policy about a fast moving vehicle losing its power controls. (logical on the surface) The cops then tested the system at speed, found it works just fine, and the policy has been changed. Now they shut them all down regardless of speed. There was a big news special on it the other night. The program is working extremely well, and we've already seen a drastic decrease in car thefts on the mainland. Its only just started here on the island...d10shun said:
RichP
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- Effort, Pa
Beej said:
Thats all well and good but the SOB's get a slap on the wrist. Sending them to prision for 1-2 years where they can get a better criminal education is not the answer. What I'd like to see is the option of allowing the owners who just had their stuff violated be allowed 10 min or 20 swings with a good old milwalkee slugger with the sob. Some good old 'fingers, toes, knees' time with the slugger would be very satisfying....
Another option would be to take them up to the north country during black fly season and stake them out....naked... I have no tolerance for thieves.
5-90
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- Hammerspace
Geez - of COURSE it's a slap - with something like that, if you tried to nail them to the wall (properly, of course,) you'd get some damn lawyer fighting back with claims of entrapment - which is largely true.
I'd like to see the Code of Hammurabi brought back - Draconian, but it worked.
Besides - 123 offenses in seven years? That's one Hell of a track record - with that many charges, I wonder how many were convictions, and what this yoyo was doing running around loose... I'll give every dog one bite, but not two. If you can put your life back together the first time, my hat's off. If you can't, the gloves come off instead...
5-90
I'd like to see the Code of Hammurabi brought back - Draconian, but it worked.
Besides - 123 offenses in seven years? That's one Hell of a track record - with that many charges, I wonder how many were convictions, and what this yoyo was doing running around loose... I'll give every dog one bite, but not two. If you can put your life back together the first time, my hat's off. If you can't, the gloves come off instead...
5-90
Beej
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- The Wet Coast of BC
It is a slap on the wrist, but anyone who studies crime will tell you that punishment is for the satisfaction of the victim, it does not prevent crime. Research has shown over and over that 'punishment' (the negative consequence to an action) reinforces behaviour, just like any consequence to an action. The goal with bait cars is to prevent crime, and its working...
red91
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- exact location unknown
Beej said:
heres' to the death penalty. :skull1: it should be used more often.
uhm...if punishment reinforces BAD behaviour...and the Bait car program is working...shouldn't MORE cars get stolen???
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- NC Sandhills
They should wire those bait cars to shock the piss out of the thief...
Not a weak little stun-gun/taser shock either... I'm talking flesh-cooking, brain-frying, dead-as-a-mackerel shock.
DOA thieves dont thieve again.
Not a weak little stun-gun/taser shock either... I'm talking flesh-cooking, brain-frying, dead-as-a-mackerel shock.
DOA thieves dont thieve again.
rockwerks
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- Chito Beach Resort, WA
woody said:
Shock works! back in teh day my lil bro had a custom chevy chevette... (3.4 v6, muncie 4 speed and ford 9" rear, channeled and rear end narrowed,etc)
The car kept getting broke into and the cops whold not do anything about it so he wired his own security system openning the rear hatch first deactivated the shhock system from the door handles and lock button, these guys used to break the DS window the reach in and unlock the door and use the outside handle to open the door. My bro wired a couple of high amp capaciters to the door and lock button. When the breakin guy came by the next time he called the police and they said he had to catch him in the act and be able to prove it, just then the guy broke the window and touched the lock release and outside door handle at the same time....The cop could hear the scream on the other end of the phone....he asked what that was my bro said Thats your proof! The cops got ther a few minutes later the guy was still on the ground holding his smokin hands, The shock was bad enough it left a layer of skin on both the lock release and the door handle. both his hads where burnt pretty bad, The checked his apartment and come to find out he had a whole bedroom full of stolen parts and his brother was a cop
RichP
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- Effort, Pa
Beej said:
Uh, pardon me but unless canadians are different thats spobi. If someone knows they are going to get 'something unplesant' every time they do 'this' after a couple of times [depending on intelligence] they generally don't do it again. However if they do 'this' and the resultant punishment is 'not too bad' they will do it again if 'this' is worth it.
Children are different and learn alot by example and environment.
As far as research is concerned, well, reseach results are usually slanted in the direction of who is signing the checks.
5-90
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The reason that crime is perpetuated so much is easy - recidivism. Recidivism is caused by the fact that, once you have committed something dumb, you are marked for the rest of your life by that fact, and that stigma makes it difficult to compete in the job market.
Now, if you want to get people to STOP doing this sort of thing, the approach is largely twofold:
1) Punishment does need to be stiffer. The idea that "cruel and unusual punishment" is ineffective is pure balderdash. For punishment to be effective, it must be unusual. For the results to stick, a measure of cruelty is required. I am less in favour of imprisonment than I am of floggings and hangings - the latter worked far better than the former.
2) Next, it is necessary to remove the stigma attached - to a certain extent. What I mean to say is simple - once you have been punished (striped/fined/whatever,) the record is sealed and you get to start over. It can only be brought up again if you f**k up again. Otherwise, you are done and you get to start over.
Our current system (and most others) have two fatal flaws - 1) they create a "gap" in the resume that cannot be readily explained and therefore cripple you for your job prospects and 2) they provide what essentially becomes a postgraduate educations in criminal activity. I have no trouble with the idea of assigning fines, floggings, or executions when necessary (or anything else that works,) but I believe that no-one should be incarcerated for more than, say, a week unless they TRULY pose a threat to the society - these cases should be truly exceptional.
This should be coupled with a simplification of the current legal system, and a removal of "tort law" where a case can be tried on precedents set too long ago to be useful.
I think you can all now see what these changes can make happen - the simple fact that a man who screws up, or has some temporary indescretion, can be given a chance to recreate himself and become a functional element of the community. Intelligent people, given the chance, will willingly recreate themselves so as to not have any more "trouble" - by reinstating their rights and freedoms, the deserving will do so.
I also think "life imprisonment without possibility of parole" is a bad idea - if someone is that truly unrepentant, they should be permanently removed from the society. Unless we can come up with some sort of Coventry where these people can be separated, isolated, and permanently removed from society and allowed to fend for themselves, I see no reason why a society should be forced to keep them alive after they have been determined to be a grave enough thread to merit permanent isolation. It costs entirely too much to feed, clothe, house, and care for these people, and we should not be expected to do so.
The process of execution should also be streamlined, and more reforms are needed to form an "effective" criminal justice system - in this case, "effective" refers to the ability to reform the deserving, and to remove the unrepentant. Look for details when I finally finish "What's Wrong with America - and Can We Fix It?"
5-90, vendor of custom-built soapboxes...
Now, if you want to get people to STOP doing this sort of thing, the approach is largely twofold:
1) Punishment does need to be stiffer. The idea that "cruel and unusual punishment" is ineffective is pure balderdash. For punishment to be effective, it must be unusual. For the results to stick, a measure of cruelty is required. I am less in favour of imprisonment than I am of floggings and hangings - the latter worked far better than the former.
2) Next, it is necessary to remove the stigma attached - to a certain extent. What I mean to say is simple - once you have been punished (striped/fined/whatever,) the record is sealed and you get to start over. It can only be brought up again if you f**k up again. Otherwise, you are done and you get to start over.
Our current system (and most others) have two fatal flaws - 1) they create a "gap" in the resume that cannot be readily explained and therefore cripple you for your job prospects and 2) they provide what essentially becomes a postgraduate educations in criminal activity. I have no trouble with the idea of assigning fines, floggings, or executions when necessary (or anything else that works,) but I believe that no-one should be incarcerated for more than, say, a week unless they TRULY pose a threat to the society - these cases should be truly exceptional.
This should be coupled with a simplification of the current legal system, and a removal of "tort law" where a case can be tried on precedents set too long ago to be useful.
I think you can all now see what these changes can make happen - the simple fact that a man who screws up, or has some temporary indescretion, can be given a chance to recreate himself and become a functional element of the community. Intelligent people, given the chance, will willingly recreate themselves so as to not have any more "trouble" - by reinstating their rights and freedoms, the deserving will do so.
I also think "life imprisonment without possibility of parole" is a bad idea - if someone is that truly unrepentant, they should be permanently removed from the society. Unless we can come up with some sort of Coventry where these people can be separated, isolated, and permanently removed from society and allowed to fend for themselves, I see no reason why a society should be forced to keep them alive after they have been determined to be a grave enough thread to merit permanent isolation. It costs entirely too much to feed, clothe, house, and care for these people, and we should not be expected to do so.
The process of execution should also be streamlined, and more reforms are needed to form an "effective" criminal justice system - in this case, "effective" refers to the ability to reform the deserving, and to remove the unrepentant. Look for details when I finally finish "What's Wrong with America - and Can We Fix It?"
5-90, vendor of custom-built soapboxes...
