Anyone ever replaced rod bearings in an XJ?

19XJ90

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My 92 XJ needs what I THINK is a set of rod bearings. When I bought it it had what I thought was a bad case of lifter noise as my 90 had the same thing.

It is quite a bit louder now, and all signs point to it being rod bearings. I have plenty of oil pressure but it has a very loud clanking noise at all times.

SO... the question is, What all is entailed in doing a set of rod bearings in a jeep.

I have heard you can just climb under there, pull the pan, and they are right there. A shop quoted me an hour labor to do them, but then they lost their lease and closed up.

What am I up against?
 
if your jeep is lifted its not too bad. im at 4 in and the pan just slid out from above the axel. otherwise ive been told you have to drop your axel down. im getting ready to do it to a buddies rig. i think an hour might be pretty quick but if youve done it before it doesnt take more than a couple hours.
 
are you sure it not loose or missing flex plate bolts?

if someone quoted me an hour to drop the pan, replace rod bearings and install the pan with the engine still in the jeep, id be worried about them doing the job.

thats really all there is to it, but i would plan on more time. sometimes the pan doesnt come right off. while your in there, change the rear main seal.
 
My god it takes more than 2 hours to scrape off that concrete-like gasket.

I don't think you are going to have good oil pressure if your rod bearings are bad. Sounds more like the fly wheel.
 
Hallo. How many miles has your machine runned? 500K miles?
I never have heard of replacing rod bearings in an XJ of 92.
Mine has now 250.000 km. OK i have a bad lifter,wich is knocking.So what?
:huh: greetings from Holland
 
19XJ90 said:
My 92 XJ needs what I THINK is a set of rod bearings. When I bought it it had what I thought was a bad case of lifter noise as my 90 had the same thing.

It is quite a bit louder now, and all signs point to it being rod bearings. I have plenty of oil pressure but it has a very loud clanking noise at all times.

SO... the question is, What all is entailed in doing a set of rod bearings in a jeep.

I have heard you can just climb under there, pull the pan, and they are right there. A shop quoted me an hour labor to do them, but then they lost their lease and closed up.

What am I up against?
I did mine, I had more than a little noise. Used a piece of metal tubing held to my ear to nail down the noise, till I was fairly certain it was in the bottom. Checked the side of the block near the distributor to see if I had any oversize bearing letter codes. Before I started, I took all the plugs out, put it in neutral and checked (with a torque wrench) how much peak torque it took to turn the motor over one revolution. When I was finished with the new bearings, checked the torque again, I know I'm anal (I#ve seen guys put in new bearings and not be able to turn the motor over with a cheater bar, they don't last long). Ordered a set of stock bearings, a set of 0.001 over and a set of 0.010 over. I didn't need the 0.01 or the 0.010 and returned them. I cleaned up the orignal bearings and the journals and checked them with plasti gage, they have to be clean plasti gage melts in oil. The top half of the bearing had significantly more wear then the bottom half on mine. Put the new (stock size) bearings in and plasti gaged them again (I know I'm anal). I was lucky there was no major scoring and the bearing surfaces were a fairly constant diameter end to end, there was no significant cone shape to the crank journals. I cleaned out the oil pump and checked the tolerances while I was in there, the bottom of the motor was fairly clean. I had to make an oil pump gasket, the oil pump got pretty tight without the gasket.
The book said you can mix different sized bearings to get the right tolerance. I was happy none of mine were near the outer tolerance, after new stock bearings.
My motor was a lot quieter after the new bearings, so I'm guessing that was the problem. I drove the motor easy for the first 500 miles and kept the RPM's down. Used fossil oil instead of synthetic.
The rest of it is just like changing the rear main bearings, I did that also while I was in there. I checked the timing chain play, the flex plate bolts and looked for flex plate cracks from the motor side of the flex plate. While I had the connecting rods off I jiggled the connecting rod up and down, just to check for wrist pin play and looked at the shape of the cylinder walls.
Just an opinion, but slightly loose bearings last longer than too tight bearings. Thinking they are going to wear in before they burn up is often wishful thinking.
 
leaning twards the flywheel myself
 
8Mud said:
I did mine, I had more than a little noise. Used a piece of metal tubing held to my ear to nail down the noise, till I was fairly certain it was in the bottom. Checked the side of the block near the distributor to see if I had any oversize bearing letter codes. Before I started, I took all the plugs out, put it in neutral and checked (with a torque wrench) how much peak torque it took to turn the motor over one revolution. When I was finished with the new bearings, checked the torque again, I know I'm anal (I#ve seen guys put in new bearings and not be able to turn the motor over with a cheater bar, they don't last long). Ordered a set of stock bearings, a set of 0.001 over and a set of 0.010 over. I didn't need the 0.01 or the 0.010 and returned them. I cleaned up the orignal bearings and the journals and checked them with plasti gage, they have to be clean plasti gage melts in oil. The top half of the bearing had significantly more wear then the bottom half on mine. Put the new (stock size) bearings in and plasti gaged them again (I know I'm anal). I was lucky there was no major scoring and the bearing surfaces were a fairly constant diameter end to end, there was no significant cone shape to the crank journals. I cleaned out the oil pump and checked the tolerances while I was in there, the bottom of the motor was fairly clean. I had to make an oil pump gasket, the oil pump got pretty tight without the gasket.
The book said you can mix different sized bearings to get the right tolerance. I was happy none of mine were near the outer tolerance, after new stock bearings.
My motor was a lot quieter after the new bearings, so I'm guessing that was the problem. I drove the motor easy for the first 500 miles and kept the RPM's down. Used fossil oil instead of synthetic.
The rest of it is just like changing the rear main bearings, I did that also while I was in there. I checked the timing chain play, the flex plate bolts and looked for flex plate cracks from the motor side of the flex plate. While I had the connecting rods off I jiggled the connecting rod up and down, just to check for wrist pin play and looked at the shape of the cylinder walls.
Just an opinion, but slightly loose bearings last longer than too tight bearings. Thinking they are going to wear in before they burn up is often wishful thinking.

Hallo 8mud. After how many miles did you do this? On wich car? the 88?
I hope it takes a long time till it is my turn to do this difficult job.:wave1:
 
wim hoppenbrouwers said:
Hallo 8mud. After how many miles did you do this? On wich car? the 88?
I hope it takes a long time till it is my turn to do this difficult job.:wave1:
When I got my 88 it was having some serious detonation issues, it was running way lean. It also looked like the oil had never been changed. I bought it cheap, thinking I had an extra motor if I needed it. Compression was good to OK, so I decided to try and save the motor that was in there, it's been holding together fine for about 4-5 years now.
It probably took me 10-12 hours total from lug nut to lug nut. With breaks and a lot of cleaning, that used up much of the time. I double checked most everything, I only wanted to do it once.
The top connecting rod bearings were pretty worn, the bottoms were near spec.
I had the head off once also for a bent valve (hydro lock) there was actually very little ridge in the cylinders, which was a pleasant surprise.
 
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