BoringDave
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I filled every can and tank I own. So I started packing home 30 gallon barrels from work a couple weeks ago. I have around 200 gallons right now. And it just keeps getting cheaper!
Anyone else hoarding fuel?
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I was debating on doing this. I wonder if its possible to buy "stakes" or something like that in fuel. Like being able to buy 1000Gal at current market value, and use it in the future. just buy something like "shares or futures", then redeem for actual fuel in the future.
BoringDave
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That would be cool but really dought a supplier would do that. I'm sure it's going to back up and quick! I have a feeling it's only down now so the Feds can get more fuel tax voted in. Then after that it's going right back where it was plus the extra tax.
yhateanxj?
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Glad someone else feels that way. I express that very thought to people and there response is typical "you are just over thinking it, why would they do that?" There is nothing to gain for them". Of course, most voted for osama, so I understand their naivety. I just store my gas, at the gas station, that way I don't have to worry about storage space. We are in town homes so space is limited.
Plus long term storage of fuel doesnt sit well due to additives. All fuels suffer from the problem, most at risk are the EPA mandated reformulated gasolines (RFG) that contain oxygenate additives, derivatives of methyl alcohol and ethyl alcohol.*Some have a shelf life as little as a month, especially if it is around to heat and moisture.
Plus long term storage of fuel doesnt sit well due to additives. All fuels suffer from the problem, most at risk are the EPA mandated reformulated gasolines (RFG) that contain oxygenate additives, derivatives of methyl alcohol and ethyl alcohol.*Some have a shelf life as little as a month, especially if it is around to heat and moisture.
No worries, he'll burn it all in the motorhome on the next outing.
I had a few fuel rewards this last fill up, and paid $1.79 at Chevron. Crazy, considering we were paying $4 a gallon at Northwest Fest this past year.
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I'm buying a new truck soon
Diesel is still $2.79
Diesel is still $2.79
BoringDave
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I filled up my motorhome to start. It does not so bad sitting for months at a time with fuel in it. I prefer to store it full so there's less of a chance for condensation since the tank is old school steel. I then moved onto gas cans then realized they were not going to work. Thats when I started hauling home air tight plastic 30 gallon drums. I fill them to the top and mark them in numerical order. This way I know witch one to use first.
I understand it won't last forever, But like Dustin stated. I am able to burn a ton of fuel in just a single trip at 5-7mpg. 100 gallons plus just driving also whatever is burned up in toys and generating power is not uncommon.
I've been researching fuel storage lately on some of the preper sites and may try some of there tricks to. I have a pretty unlimited supply of 30 and 55 gallon drums also a crap load of storage space.
BoringDave
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Son, you live in the wrong part of town!
I'll snap a pic of $1.99 a gallon for diesel at the Sandy Fred Myers on my way to your house in the morning.
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You have a PM
yhateanxj?
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With the amount of shopping we do at fred meyers, I have a feeling my next fill up will be at .99/gal. That is back 1998 style. Now thats some crazy ish.
kenny811
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We pay everything on a Fred Meyers card, then pay off the card. We get about $175 a reward cycle. As much as .80 off gas. It's usually around .50a gallon off. It's a sweet gig. Free Fred Meyers money.
BoringDave
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That's a great idea. I live 2 miles from the Sandy store and never shop there other then gas and occasional trip inside. It's so busy there all the time. There is never anywhere to park and the place is packed. It's like Christmas year around.
yhateanxj?
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True. Also if you have rewards card, get prescription meds at pharmacy. It racks the fuel points up like no other.
So where can I buy fuel with a 3-4 month shelf life?
yhateanxj?
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It will last that long as is, but it degrades. Buy non ethanol fuel for starters, alot of smaller country gas stations carry it. Sea foam, stabil are things you can add to prolong shelf life.
Demonoid369
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What's the general price of non ethanol gas right now?
yhateanxj?
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Its around $4/gal. Not cheap by any means, but from my understanding, it will sustain a long term shelf life. Over the summer I ran it in my equipment, it was around $6/gal then. But its better for small machinery that tends to gunk up easier with water additive based gas.
OK, well isn't ethanol gas like 10% ethanol? Why does that 10% make that much difference when stabilized? I typically don't care, but with gas as cheap as it is... I don't mind dropping some cash to horde it. At $4 for ethanol free fuel, the cost savings are nonexistent.
yhateanxj?
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E85 is 85% gas and 15% ethanol, e87 is 87/13 and so on. It (ethanol) is not only bad for environment, but it also reduces mpg on your vehicle. So mixed with more consumption and worse mileage, your loss is upwards of 20%. Take an average of 100 gallons if gas, at $1.99, thats $199 of fuel, of that your only utilizing say 80% of that gas, cost is $159.25, taken from $199 leaves a $ loss of around $40 on every $200 spent. Add in the mpg loss, and your loss is upwards of possibly $55-60 per 100 gallons. So me in a year, averges around 50 gallons per week between 3 vehicles for a yearly consumption of 2600 gallonsx1.99=$5,174. Of that my 15-25% loss equates to only $3,880.xx of paid for fuel actually used. That is a yearly loss of almost $1,300 or 650 gallons lost due to e85 gas plus fuel mpg loss.
Additives to stabilize fuel will still, at some point flow through the system, as to my understanding, they do something only to the water in the fuel, which has to have somewhere to go. Im no expert by any means, as my knowledge is based upon talking with others, doing research, and asking people in the petrol industry. Me Being in an industry where I drive sometimes 100+miles a day, with a 460 and sometimes 10 gallons of gas in equipment a day I tend to need the most out of what I buy. So, I may be innacurate in some of what I say, but I've been monitoring and educating for 18 years now on fuel consumption and additives, so I know some, not all.
Additives to stabilize fuel will still, at some point flow through the system, as to my understanding, they do something only to the water in the fuel, which has to have somewhere to go. Im no expert by any means, as my knowledge is based upon talking with others, doing research, and asking people in the petrol industry. Me Being in an industry where I drive sometimes 100+miles a day, with a 460 and sometimes 10 gallons of gas in equipment a day I tend to need the most out of what I buy. So, I may be innacurate in some of what I say, but I've been monitoring and educating for 18 years now on fuel consumption and additives, so I know some, not all.
I didn't realize the losses were that much for ethanol blends. Wow! Do the detergents that they add (techron or whatever) break down similarly? If that were the case then there's no reason to store a stockpile because even at half price you might only break even.
