Any one else getting worries about Obama

[iwannadie]

You can't be that dumb.

You obviously are either a tree hugger yourself, in which case makes everything you say irrelevant anyway, or you have no clue about anything.

The tree huggers do not care about oil leaks. They don't care about how bad you tear anything up anywhere. The care about the fact that you are in the wilderness in a vehicle destroying what they consider to be their own personal little slice of heaven. We could all be driving electric Jeeps with a sensor that shocks the shit out of you when you move off a trail and they still would want everything closed down. If you don't believe me, find a SUWA member and ask him.

Why is every political discussion like this, if you disagree with an opinion suddenly your an extremist in the other direction. I support roadless areas where they belong and treading lightly. So in your eyes Im a tree hugger, anti wheeling or whatever else...

The point is when closing trails come up they use polluting(oil leaks) and abuse(leaving trash) as reasons. If -we- would stop giving them those reasons it would be harder to make a case, I think.

However, its always either your an extremist anti doing anything except walking in the woods. Or your out to just trash everything and leave your mark on every trail. I better not pick up a spilling quart of oil or the other jeepers will see me as an idiot environmentalist wacko.

 

[DrMoab]

Why is every political discussion like this, if you disagree with an opinion suddenly your an extremist in the other direction. I support roadless areas where they belong and treading lightly. So in your eyes Im a tree hugger, anti wheeling or whatever else...

The point is when closing trails come up they use polluting(oil leaks) and abuse(leaving trash) as reasons. If -we- would stop giving them those reasons it would be harder to make a case, I think.

However, its always either your an extremist anti doing anything except walking in the woods. Or your out to just trash everything and leave your mark on every trail. I better not pick up a spilling quart of oil or the other jeepers will see me as an idiot environmentalist wacko.

My feelings on tree huggers is not a political view. And you are totally mistaken on why trails are closed. Like I said it has nothing to do with oil leaks or trash being left on a trail. And I know of no one...NO ONE who leaves trash on the trail. In fact in todays world 99% of the people I wheel with or see on the trails usually are out picking up trash, not the other way around.

You have been blinded by the typical greenie talking points. You understand nothing.

 

[iwannadie]

My feelings on tree huggers is not a political view. And you are totally mistaken on why trails are closed. Like I said it has nothing to do with oil leaks or trash being left on a trail. And I know of no one...NO ONE who leaves trash on the trail. In fact in todays world 99% of the people I wheel with or see on the trails usually are out picking up trash, not the other way around.

You have been blinded by the typical greenie talking points. You understand nothing.

So theres some conspiracy to follow me around and plant these actors who leave trash behind as to fool me? Im sorry, maybe its more problem here or maybe Ive seen the worst of it. A simple trek through random youtube videos and you can see plenty of burned out abandon vehicles, vandalism, trash piles and other trail abuse.

Ive had alot of people preach to me anti-wheeling, they all bring up treading lightly so its an issue. They bring up saving the natural resources and then issues with leaking vehicles and trash left behind, the issues go hand in hand. If your thinking people are out to close trails just to screw you over for that reason solely then well, ok. Like I said before, if people dont agree suddenly they are an extremist in the opposite point of view.

In your own words. "In fact in todays world 99% of the people I wheel with or see on the trails usually are out picking up trash,". Reminds me of "Half the time, it works every time.".

 

[GSequoia]

It's where you are wanna.

Most places are pretty clean but the deserts close to population are still filthy.

It's a tweaker thing.

 

[iwannadie]

It's where you are wanna.

Most places are pretty clean but the deserts close to population are still filthy.

It's a tweaker thing.

Its sad then, people are ruining what we have around here.

Obviously Im not some anti-wheeling maniac if Im out there in my jeep. Im just saying if people are abusing a natural resource its hard for me to say its wrong to close the trail...

 

[GSequoia]

Get out in the better areas and you'll see a world of difference. Just get away from the big tweaker locations.


I'm sure there are areas like that in Utah too, Beaver comes to mind (sure looked like a tweakerific area when I've been through there). But as Dr. Moab mentioned those areas aren't getting much attention, generally if those areas are in a closure area you'll notice it's vast, so vast that they don't even know all of the areas the closure / wilderness area is.


We're not saying that we don't need to continue drilling it into people's skulls that they have to clean up after themselves, we're just saying that the biggest threat right now comes from large anti-outdoors organizations that don't know what the area looks like, only that they want all people out (first Jeeps / dirt bikes / ATV, then mountain bikes, then horses, then hikers, that is how it goes).

 

[iwannadie]

Get out in the better areas and you'll see a world of difference. Just get away from the big tweaker locations.


I'm sure there are areas like that in Utah too, Beaver comes to mind (sure looked like a tweakerific area when I've been through there). But as Dr. Moab mentioned those areas aren't getting much attention, generally if those areas are in a closure area you'll notice it's vast, so vast that they don't even know all of the areas the closure / wilderness area is.


We're not saying that we don't need to continue drilling it into people's skulls that they have to clean up after themselves, we're just saying that the biggest threat right now comes from large anti-outdoors organizations that don't know what the area looks like, only that they want all people out (first Jeeps / dirt bikes / ATV, then mountain bikes, then horses, then hikers, that is how it goes).

I hear what your saying. From what Ive seen though the tread lightly is a big selling point for closures. I guess its not as big as an issue over all as Ive seen it made out to be though.

Like I said, everything is extremist points of view. Im sure the people wanting to close down big chunks of land to all use think we are all out raping the land. There will never be a middle ground to actually see eye to eye.