any ideas for preventing car theft?

blondejoncherokee

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there has been a lot more crime on our street than normal. my car was broken into a few nights ago, roommates car was stolen, and the same thing has happened to at least 10 of my neighbors, so short of moving, i need to do some stuff to the jeep and the DD:

install alarms
fuel cutoffs
ignition cutoffs if easy
build a steering wheel lock-look into removable steering wheel
some sort of brake lock possibly
pedal lock possibly

more motion detector lighting out front
maybe install some surveillance cameras out front ?


GPS or something on the car (monthly fee sounds like it will suck though)

anyone else live downtown and have any ideas?
 
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well my roommates honda was stolen a few months ago, lots of neighbors have had car parts stolen, or their cars stolen , broken windows and stuff.
i already have that exact rifle, 7.62x54 the problem is , is that it happens when we are sleeping or when we are out and about. never when I'm just chilling out with my rifle in my hands....

im gonna start with alarms on both cars, fuel kill switches, pedal locks, e brake locks, and some other small stuff like that and go from there. also plan on wiring some tilt switches to glove box and center console with some ear piercing sounds wired up, motion sensors out front, and maybe even some cameras.
 
I have cameras on the front, back, and both sides of the house with dvr in my bed room. The pitbull is a light sleeper, and my gun is loaded next to the bed. The dog barks, I grab pistol and go investigate. And if you happen to get the drop on me, the wife's got the 12ga behind her dresser.
 
You don't need to go crazy with it, all you need is something to immobilize the vehicle and most importantly a theft deterrent. A hidden switch on the fuel pump will prevent it from leaving your driveway, but not from being broken into. Wire a flashing led in the cab to give the appearance of a security system, and your rig will probably be safe.
 
well my roommates honda was stolen a few months ago, lots of neighbors have had car parts stolen, or their cars stolen , broken windows and stuff.
i already have that exact rifle, 7.62x54 the problem is , is that it happens when we are sleeping or when we are out and about. never when I'm just chilling out with my rifle in my hands....

im gonna start with alarms on both cars, fuel kill switches, pedal locks, e brake locks, and some other small stuff like that and go from there. also plan on wiring some tilt switches to glove box and center console with some ear piercing sounds wired up, motion sensors out front, and maybe even some cameras.
Even some of those "real" cameras from HF would help.
 
I used to live in one of the bad areas in Tucson, AZ. (the street glistened with broken safety glass). But like goblazer said, they mostly go after the easy stuff. Steering wheel clubs are easy, moderately effective, and quite visible, and likely to encourage the thief to at least move to the next car. That and don't leave anything valuable in sight (radio included).

Funny though, we had a series of break-ins all along my street . Every car on the street had a window broken except mine. Fortunately for me, I had accidentally left my car unlocked. The bad guy was nice enough to check the door and steal my boxing gloves(?).
 
so moral of the story is use a club(already use that) , use a pedal club, leave nothing valuable in car, and keep the doors unlocked so i don't have to buy windows?
 
Id wire a well hidden cut off switch to the PCM. That way they can over ride what ever they want or bust the lock or hot wire the ignition switch and it still wont have fuel, spark or anything. Make it simple and reliable incase it gives you trouble in the woods.
 
Also, if I catch anyone breaking into my junk prepare to get your knees kicked in, elbows broken if you try and grab me or wield a weapon and then drug face down into my back yard so I can toss your sorry ass through my sliding glass door and call the cops for breaking and entering my home.
 
Not to hijack, but what about for those of us with manual transmissions? How can I stop someone from throwing it in neutral and rolling it away?
 
a cheap set of cameras works pretty good. i have eliminated grafitti in front of my house and both my neighbors' houses (big problem around here), and just caught a little gang banger who stole the stereo out of my jeep. assuming i get restitution for the radio (just got the forms in the mail from the DA so it's likely), they've paid for themselves. make some very visible, and put up some signs in the effect that they're being watched. once they know they're there, they wont mess with you.
another thing i've been planning on doing is putting a wireless motion sensing door chime on the inside of one of my jeep's front doors. you can get them from harbor freight for like 20-30 bucks. you can put the reciever in your bedroom, you'll likely hear it through the whole house (they're loud as hell). once someone opens one of the front doors, the chime will go off, then you can go out there and beat them senseless since they wont know you heard it. :D
 
Jon, removable steering wheels work great at deterring vehicle theft. More motion lights on the back of the garage and some cameras and signage that lets those thugs know they're being watched. More cameras the merrier. So no matter wht they are on camera if they mess with a few of them.
 
Car alarms are generally pointless. Unless they've got "hard cutoffs" for critical systems, it's just going to make noise as they drive away (don't laugh, I've seen it happen!)

A cutoff for ignition and/or fuel would work to an extent - if they really want your rig, they'll come back with a truck - but it will stop the casual thief. If both ignition and fuel delivery are to be cut off; the switches should be separate (ideally) and either camouflaged or hidden in separate locations.

Motion-activated lamps and cameras are going to be more useful than a car alarm - they'll start recording immediately, and usually send the freelance socialist running as soon as they come on (IR cameras are nice, but lack detail. You want good facial detail? Use visible light. Suggest you mount the camera - and the lamps, if possible - well up out of reach and behind some sort of protection. Expanded metal is good for this - for the camera, you can cut a hole for the lens to look through and maybe even weld a collar around the cut hole so they can't readily bend the metal.)

There's no way to stop a determined thief. Period. Full stop. The old saying goes that "locks only keep honest people honest" - although they'll stop casual thieves and thrill-seekers as well.

I've often had to work in "rougher" neighbourhoods, so my security needs are mobile. What I've done to secure my truck:
- START function removed from the keyswitch, and routed to a separate toggle. You can crank the key all day - it don't do nothing.
- Separate fuel and ignition cutoffs, using magnetic reed switches and latching relays (you can't even see the switch, the only way to trip it easily is to wave a small magnet over it. Guess who has a small magnet, and knows where to wave it?)
- Pressure switch under the seat (I'm a big guy - the average punk kid out here is about half of me. If you don't have enough weight on the seat, even kicking on the cutoff switches won't work. If you don't weigh enough, it won't do you any good to know where the switches are - since they get power from the pressure switch anyhow.)
- I've also redone the ignition switch wiring harness - all wiring in that subharness is 14AWG black, so there's no visual clue how to hotwire the thing.

No, I'm not going to tell you where the switches are. There are three people that know where they are (including me) and only two people who know where the bypasses/overrides are (including me.)

Locating the switches I shall leave to you as an exercise in creativity - but either camouflage them so they blend in, or stash them so they're out of casual view (or both.)

Other things that can be done?
- Rig a keypad on the dash that trips a latching relay when a combination is entered. This relay can complete the circuit for fuel, ignition, or both.
- Install a fuse or relay block for a critical component somewhere that's easy to reach from the driver's seat (like an additional fuse for the fuel pump.) Take the fuse/relay with you when you exit the vehicle.
- Take a critical component (ignition rotor is common) with you if you're going to park for a bit. Time-consuming, but it works.

It really depends on what threat you're planning on facing, and where it will be in relation to "home" and "work." Having a bypass/override switch in place in case your security device goes pear-shaped on you won't go amiss, but keep that information close-hold as well (see prior comments.)

Once you do something like this, bear in mind that it's in the same league as carrying a concealed sidearm - the idea behind keeping it concealed is that no-one knows it's there unless you need it. Why are you hiding the cutoff switches? So no-one else knows about them! That's why I'm not going to tell you where to put them - just put them somewhere that is:
- Relatively hidden (through camouflage or concealment)
- Naturally easy for you to reach.
- Reachable with a natural motion (if you have to reach out of the way, you'll give it away on your own! Knowing that there is something there to find makes it more likely that it will be found and defeated)
- Easy enough to service (because, as you should know, electronics do wear out and want replacing from time to time...)
- Somewhere you can bundle the "security" wiring in with the OEM wiring, so it doesn't look out of place (that way, it will look more like a recent repair than something you've added.)

There's no such thing as "100% Security," but you can make it more difficult and get the "convenience thief" to look somewhere else. Yeah, a manual can be shoved into Neutral and pushed away (I have a manual in my rig,) but how long does it take to drop the rear driveshaft on an auto? And that's from under the car, so you're not likely to see it happening.

However, with a little creativity and minimal work (really!) you can address most common threats in your area, and do so in a cost-effective manner (the most expensive thing I had to get, years ago, was the pressure switch. Pretty much everything else came from Radio Shack, and I think I got it all for <$20, cash in hand, tax included.)

In a way, these days, having a manual transmission provides its own security device - there are fewer and fewer people who know how to drive them! I'd still like to get a five-speed that I can put Lightning Rods on, do a D300 with a twin-stock (or maybe an Atlas?) and have mechanical selectable lockers fore and aft. I'd have a forest sticking up out of the transmission tunnel - no-one would want to even try to figure it out! Let's see:
- five levers to operate the transmission (four for a four-speed, six for a six-speed. But, most Lightning Rod setups I've worked with have been five-speeds)
- two more levers for the transfer case.
- one lever for the front axle
- one lever for the rear axle

That would give me eight (four-speed,) nine (five-speed,) or ten (six-speed) levers sticking up in the middle of the truck!

Lightning Rods are easy enough to operate, if you know how. Most people do not - which will give me "security through obfuscation." That, and it can make shifting quickly (when needed) and rocking the vehicle (also when needed) much easier than it is with the "H" or "modified H" pattern usually in use...
 
Jon, removable steering wheels work great at deterring vehicle theft. More motion lights on the back of the garage and some cameras and signage that lets those thugs know they're being watched. More cameras the merrier. So no matter wht they are on camera if they mess with a few of them.

Forgot about those!

Grant makes (they used to, anyhow) a pretty good one - and the XJ used a Saginaw/GM column through 1995, which makes finding wheels or adapters dirt-simple.
 
Oh, and on the motion lights. The brighter the better. Short timers too so they don't piss of the neighbors behind you because of cats haha.

If you can low crawl without tripping the lamps, cats shouldn't either (but, people should keep cats locked up or tied out. I'd be expected to keep a dog tied out or in the house, no? Why's a cat different?)

If you've got thieves low-crawling around, you've got bigger problems.

I've put in a few motion lights for people, I usually set them so I can low-crawl under the light (slowly - a low crawl isn't a good way to move quickly anyhow,) and set the timer for 3-5 minutes of "On" time before it cuts back off. Seems to work well for most neighbourhoods.
 
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